Welcome to the 60th original episode of What to Say When Things Get Tough! We're joined today by Simon Rinne, an Australian therapist who specializes in helping men work through mental health challenges like burnout, depression and substance abuse. We talk about how Simon decided to help others after struggling with his own mental health issues, and he walks us through the best way to approach someone if you think they may need help.

Simon is the host of a podcast called Mindful Men and can be found online at www.mindful-men.com.au. I hope you enjoy our conversation.

As always, thank you to Jim Cirillo of jimiumgroup.com for our original music and to Rachel Greenberger for our original art.

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