The Haz Mat Guys

The Haz Mat Guys


THMG434 – Battery fires in tunnels?

March 01, 2024

A question from a class was, “what would we do in a limited ventilation situation like an EV fire in a tunnel?”. Welp, OK, let’s do that.


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Episode Overview:

In this episode of "The HazMat Guys," we delve into the challenging scenario of handling electric vehicle (EV) battery fires within tunnels. Our hosts explore the unique risks, strategies, and considerations that first responders must account for when faced with fires in such confined environments. Featuring insightful discussions on firefighting techniques, the use of innovative tools, and expert guest insights, this episode is packed with valuable information for hazmat professionals.


Segment Breakdown and Timestamps:

  • Introduction and Catch-Up (00:00:18 - 00:03:48)
  • The hosts kick off the episode with a light-hearted discussion on the importance of engaging and up-to-date training in hazmat response, highlighting their upcoming training sessions and conference attendance across various locations.


  • Guest Announcement and Upcoming Events (00:03:48 - 00:05:05)
  • Announcement of guest Phil McCardle from FDNY and the upcoming "After Action Report" podcast episode. Discussion on live-streamed long format comments and interactive opportunities for the audience.


  • Main Topic: EV Battery Fires in Tunnels (00:05:05 - 00:14:01)
  • The hosts pose the question of how to effectively fight an EV car fire within a tunnel, exploring challenges like ventilation, access, and the unique properties of battery fires.


  • Operational Considerations and Tactics (00:14:01 - 00:22:35)
  • A deep dive into specific firefighting strategies, including the use of water, the potential for using a fire blanket, and considerations for protecting tunnel infrastructure from heat damage.


  • Innovative Tools and Techniques (00:22:35 - 00:25:49)
  • Discussion on various tools and methodologies for combating EV battery fires, such as the "Cold Cut Cobra" system and the practicality of using tow trucks to remove vehicles from hazardous areas.


Key Moments:

  • Importance of Adapting Training (00:00:23)
  • Highlighting the evolution of hazmat training to keep up with new challenges, such as EV fires.


  • Delta T and Firefighting Tactics (00:14:04)
  • Explaining the concept of Delta T in the context of managing the intensity and duration of battery fires.


  • The Role of Ventilation in Tunnel Fires (00:06:18)
  • An explanation of how ventilation systems in tunnels impact firefighting efforts and strategies.


  • Protecting Tunnel Infrastructure (00:11:33)
  • Discussing the risks to tunnel integrity from the heat of EV battery fires and strategies to mitigate these risks.


Resource Links and References:

  • TheHazMatGuys.com/hireus - For training and workshop inquiries.


Guest Information:

  • Phil McCardle: A respected figure in the hazmat community with extensive experience from his service with the FDNY. Known for his expertise and engaging storytelling.


Concluding Summary and Call to Action:

In this episode, we've unpacked the complexities of dealing with battery fires in tunnels, a scenario that presents unique challenges for hazmat responders. From ventilation issues to the intense heat of battery fires, we've explored how tactics and technologies can adapt to ensure safety and effectiveness in these high-risk environments. We encourage our listeners to stay informed about the latest strategies and tools in the field and to share their experiences and insights with the community. Don't forget to subscribe for more insightful discussions on hazmat response, and join us next time on "The HazMat Guys."


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