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are you looking for clear, factual, no b.s. answers on covid? disinformation about covid-19 can spread just as rapidly as the virus itself. as tom begins a trip down the mississippi river for the “american neighbor” documentary by the nantucket project, he and rp discuss the different attitudes about the pandemic across the nation, from mask wearing to conspiracy theories and how disinformation can counter productive disease control. meanwhile, as vaccines are rushed to be created, nationalism comes into play: how could the united states have been more globally minded, and thus helped combat covid-19 at home and abroad?

tom scott is chairman & co-founder of the nantucket project. rp eddy was the architect of the Clinton administration’s pandemic response framework and the United Nations response to the global AIDS epidemic & is CEO of global intelligence firm Ergo.  

rp is co-author of the best-selling award-winning book Warnings: Finding Cassandras to Stop Catastrophes with Richard A. Clarke, Former National Security Council counterterrorism adviser.

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[00:00:19] RP, welcome. Good to see you. Good to see it. I'm going to start with this trip, if I can. We show you this. Over here about it. So we leave. I'll leave tomorrow morning. I'm going to I'm in it for the first part of the trip. I'm going from here to Ann Arbor, Michigan, with another guy and we both have our motorcycles. We're gonna do the first 14 hours. We're gonna do a study of an interstate versus a blue highway. So we're gonna do interstate day one in a U-Haul with our motorcycles in the back. And then from then on, it'll be all blue highways and we'll end up in Lake Itasca, which is the source of the Mississippi. And that'll happen on the 21st of July. And then our first event at night is on the 22nd in Minneapolis. We have back to back shows. They're not shows. They're conversations in Minneapolis on the 22nd and the twenty third. And you can see all the dates here. And then we'll end up in New Orleans. You'll see there on August the 2nd. And then we'll make our way back from there. You know, I want to thank the people from Sloan have been incredibly supportive to us. By the way, Arpey, they're making all this possible, so I want to thank them. Oh, yeah. Great. Yeah, good. They're the best. Yeah, it's been great. Let's let's do can we let's do a show. Let's really keep talking to this. I want to do a show on Graham Allen, CEO Sloan's message on Vimeo. To his employees and what he's done with the mayors, the d.a.'s and police chiefs, the towns where they employ thousands of people. How he's asked them what they're doing to address police brutality. Cool. 
 
[00:01:57] Yeah, I like that. 
 
[00:02:01] And, you know, the first the first our first meeting is with Keith Ellison, the attorney general of Minnesota. And then each night we have. A gathering of a mixed group of people in there, it's conversation driven, Neil Phillips and Simon Greer, the two guys out front, Neil Phillips, who some of you may remember, RPN, I had Neil on a few weeks back. He runs Visible Men down in Florida. Just an amazing guy. And Simon Greer was. He was in the Obama administration. He was the chief community organizer in the Obama administration, but he's played a variety of roles. But he runs these things called courageous conversations. He's as good a conductor of a powerful conversation as I've ever. Yeah. Powerful conversation as I've ever seen. And then more travel with a whole group,