Women are told to be nice, but not too nice. Be successful, but not too successful. Just be likeable. Join Jill for her interview with award-winning journalist and author of the book The Likeability Trap, Alicia Menendez, as they examine the impossible bind women find themselves in: to succeed, women must be competent and likeable; but the more women are seen as competent, and the more they achieve, the less likeable they become. Alicia discusses how women can let go of old rules and reimagine leadership rather than reinventing themselves. Listen and Learn * What likeability traps are* What the "Goldilocks Conundrum" is* The problem with focusing on women as the solution* The need for systemic change* Ideas for where to start moving the conversation forward* How to think about ambition during a pandemic and how to juggle the challenges of today’s difficult times About Alicia Menendez Alicia Menendez Alicia Menendez is an MSNBC anchor and host of the Latina to Latina podcast. Dubbed “Ms. Millennial” by The Washington Post, “journalism’s new gladiator” by Elle, and a “content queen” by Marie Claire, her interviews and reporting have appeared on ABC News, Bustle, FusionTV, PBS and Vice News. Her first book, “The Likeability Trap” was published in November 2019. She lives in New Jersey with her husband and two daughters. Resources Visit Alicia's webpage Buy the book The Likeability Trap: How to Break Free and Succeed As You Are 49. Empowering Women with Dr. Robyn Walser 121. Be Mighty: An Episode for Stressed Out, Worried Women with Dr. Jill Stoddard