Market Proof Marketing
Ep 421: No Simple Answers
Kevin Oakley is joined by Julie Jarnagin and Caroline Collard for a wide-ranging conversation about the complexities builders can’t escape.
From early-year trends to Texas growth markets to President Trump’s latest comments on housing policy, the team leans into the nuance builders actually have to navigate so marketers can face down their challenges with increased clarity and control.
- Guest episodes come with a new charity gift twist in 2026- send in your guest recommendations and nominations to show@doyouconvert.com.
- Caroline - Growth at DYC and how great marketers are built over time
- Julie - Parenting in an NYC subway leads to lessons on patience and pacing
- Kevin - A “brilliant” example of what can happen when experts don’t understand the systems they’re rewiring





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