Market Proof Marketing

Market Proof Marketing


Ep 392: The Eye of the Fire

June 18, 2025

In this episode, Kevin Oakley is joined by Jackie Lipinski and Beth Russell for a discussion that speaks directly to the mental load marketers are carrying right now. They unpack what it means to feel like a firefighter, why leadership fatigue is a very real thing, and how the industry's obsession with quick fixes like AI-generated ads might be missing the point. From shifting ad expectations to reclaiming clarity in your work, this one’s packed with insight.


Listen in for a refreshing dose of validation, perspective, and tactical advice.



Story Time [00:38]


  • Jackie – Feeling like firefighters
  • Beth – Is it burnout or something else?
  • Kevin – why it’s a win to find a lead-quality lie in the data



In the News [16:40]



If your brain feels overloaded or you’re tempted to chase the newest AI shortcut, this episode reminds you where the real value lies: in clarity, strategy, and staying human.