The Roll With It Baby podcast, where nonprofit lifers T. Clay Buck and Ephraim Gopin riff, rant and rave about the nonprofit sector and yes, offer help as well, all against the backdrop of a hit 80s song.

This week's 80s hit? "I've Never Been To Me" by Charlene, a song that Clay claims "has the worst lyrics of all time."

We discuss Imposter Syndrome, not finding fulfilling work, what happened to grant writing, overhead and the role of the Board in NPO workers being underpaid, overworked and underappreciated.

Bonus: You get to hear Clay sing.