Today we wrap up my conversation with Deborah Driggs, insurance agent, mother, former model and actress, and Playboy’s centerfold in March 1990.

We discuss the role that fear plays when communicating in difficult situations. Deborah also shares how she learned not to take no for an answer as a senior in high school when she convinced her high school government teacher to let her pass a class she had never attended by staying up all night to write a paper summarizing the class’s entire textbook.

She used that experience to develop her “No means maybe” philosophy that has helped drive her success as an actress, model, investor, and insurance agent. Enjoy!

As always, thank you to Jim Cirillo of jimiumgroup.com for our original music and my daughter Rachel Greenberger for our original podcast art.

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