We’re in week two of the government shutdown and the first week of Planned Parenthood not providing abortion care in Wisconsin, and WORT is no longer broadcasting the BBC. To make sense of the dramatic changes in our nation and in our backyard, host Ali Muldrow is joined by friend of the show, Lisa Graves. They discuss the role that Project 2025 is playing in Trump’s second presidency and how it’s no surprise that the Trump administration has been implementing Project 2025 from day one. 

Graves says that the Trump administration is more than halfway through implementing Project 2025. That includes making good on his campaign promise of “mass deportations” which we’re seeing play out in Chicago this week. These are violent times, and Project 2025 fuels the violence with its perspective on incarceration, detention, deportation, and changes to “consent decrees.”

They also talk about how the destruction of the federal workforce and attacks on the free press are impacting regular people. Nevertheless, Graves says she is heartened by the ways folks are rejecting Trump’s authoritarianism, from the dance parties in Portland, governors who push back, and the ongoing No Kings protests.

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Lisa Graves is the executive director of True North Research, a national investigative watchdog group. She is also the board president of the Center for Media and Democracy.

Featured image of the cover of Project 2025 via Wikipedia.

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