A Public Affair

A Public Affair


The Crisis in Gaza with Ilan Pappé

February 14, 2025


On today’s show host Esty Dinur is joined by Professor Ilan Pappé, an Israeli historian, political scientist, and former politician. They talk about Mahmud Muna, the Palestinian book shop owner who, along with his nephew Amad Muna, was arrested by Israeli police and charged with “inciting and supporting terrorism” because they carried books by Noam Chomsky, Ilan Pappé, and others.


Pappé describes how Palestinians inside Israel are daily being harassed and terrorized by Israeli gangs. He says that the death tolls from these attacks are rising and the Israeli police seem to be encouraging these attacks. Meanwhile Donald Trump promotes turning Gaza into a resort. They also discuss whether the ceasefire will hold, the role of AIPAC, Zionism, and what Pappé predicts for the future of Israel. 



Ilan Pappé is a professor with the College of Social Sciences and International Studies at the University of Exeter in the United Kingdom, serving as the Director of the European Centre for Palestine Studies and Co-Director of the Exeter Centre for Ethno-Political Studies. He has written extensively on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, including his critically acclaimed works such as The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine and Out of the Frame: The Struggle for Academic Freedom in Israel. His latest book is Lobbying for Zionism on Both Sides of the Atlantic.


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