You'll recall the meme featuring the great Iggy Pop wearing an evening gown alongside his quote: "I'm not ashamed to dress 'like a woman' because I don't think it's shameful to be a woman."

This month's episode is a discussion between two cisgender queer women who have both made a living for many years facilitating the fantasy of cisgender men to dress up in dresses, lingerie, heels, makeup, and wigs. Beginning with the premise that the very idea of "crossing" from one gender to the other is horribly outmoded (for example, both Tina and guest Morgana Maye were definitely both wearing pants during this conversation), these two professional dominants discuss the erotic possibilities and mind-bending politics of those who enjoy erotically embodying femininity without identifying as a woman per ce.

Discussed: "Please explain me to myself" / The difference between erotic degradation, humiliation, and embarrassment / High-Femme as bondage / Shame tax  / Why Morgana will never be a guest on Fresh Air / "The gender binary is like palmolive and we're all soaking in it" / Transparent / Is anyone ever turned on by being marginalized by the patriarchy? / A feather boa is one-size-fits-all / Fragrance as hypnosis

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Mistress Morgana Maye is a lifestyle professional domme, domestic discipline and AB/DL enthusiast, gender manipulator, compassionate sadist, bondage fetishist, and kink evangelist. She’s played professionally for 20 years and is the owner and proprietress of Maison de La Maitresse, San Francisco's premiere boutique dungeon. Morgana holds two advanced degrees in clinical psychology (that’s Dr. Mistress to you), and her professional practice includes ritual play, instructional sessions, and kink counseling. For more information visit www.mistressmorgana.com and www.loveyourkink.com.