On this episode I chat to Luyando about his childhood, growing up in the apartheid era and how he went on to become one of South Africa's first black architects. His journey to Berlin and subsequent return to South Africa.

He is also the co author of a fantastic book called

Get out of your mind
Lessons on embracing difference from South Africa and beyond
This dynamic change management offering from a Robben Island freedom fighter-turned Berlin architect and a pioneering global change management expert is a how-to-guide for South African business and organisational leaders on how to manage diverse people in ways most beneficial for aims, that move both organisations and the country forward.

Luyanda and Klaus combine decades of professional knowledge and experience as individuals and as a team to provide critical insight into a changing world.

https://www.nb.co.za/en/view-book/?id=9780624090762

https://www.wattsinvolved.com/