“The Divine Thread: Why Your Survival Mode Is Not the Enemy”

Podcast: Sacred Conversations with Suze and Jakko
Release Date: June 22, 2025
Length: ~55 min

In this first episode under our new name Sacred Conversations, we (Suze and Jakko) explore one of the deepest truths we’ve been living into: that our survival patterns are not obstacles to our spiritual path — they’re part of it.

We speak candidly about the push and pull between the divine thread and the survival thread, about the lies of spiritual bypassing, and how real healing doesn’t come from fixing pain — but from learning how to hold it, honor it, and integrate it into love.

This conversation is both raw and reverent, anchored in the messy holiness of real life. If you’ve ever tried to “heal your trauma” or “be more spiritual” but ended up exhausted, scattered, or stuck, this episode is your homecoming.

• You are not here to get rid of your survival mode — you are here to bless it.

• The spiritual path is not a bypass of pain, it’s a deep descent into presence.

• Forgiveness is not for the other — it’s the sacred act of becoming whole.

• Grief is not a wound to heal, but a doorway into deeper love.

• Real transformation begins when we stop fixing and start integrating.

• The stories we carry (biblical or personal) are not meant to be solved, but lived.

• Your divine thread is never gone. It’s waiting for your attention.

“Stop trying to heal the wound. Start building the foundation that was never allowed to grow.”

“Pain doesn’t ruin us. It reminds us that we’ve loved.”

“You’re not here to fix your survival mode. You’re here to make it sacred.”

“Jesus didn’t wait for safety. He brought light into the chaos.”

“Your life is your legacy — not because others remember it, but because you do.”

00:00 – Why we renamed the podcast
04:52 – What “sacred” means in everyday life
09:30 – The trap of fixing yourself into divinity
16:15 – A story about AI, creativity, and loving the process
24:44 – Bible stories as inner journeys, not external truths
31:12 – A scene from The Chosen that changed how we view forgiveness
40:00 – You can’t avoid pain, but you can walk with it in beauty
48:00 – A final word on building a foundation of divine presence

If this episode touched you — not just in your mind, but in your belly, your bones, your heart — we invite you to join us in person at the upcoming retreat:

Finding God in Everyday Life
A 5-day sacred immersion in nature, silence, presence, and soul
August 22–26 | Suze’s farmhouse | Direct booking open now
Retreat Info & Registration (insert link)

Come be with us. Come be with yourself. Come home.