With me today are the two real-life DEA agents whose work is chronicled in the hit Netflix series Narcos. Steve Murphy and Javier Pena were both assigned by the DEA to work in Medellin, Colombia with the task of taking down Pablo Escobar. They were directly responsible in large part for the ultimate success of that operation. While there, both of these guys did their jobs with the spectre of six-figure bounties on their respective heads. Needless to say, this is one of the most badass accomplishments by any men within the last forty years, for sure. But these days, both Steve and Javier are retired after 38 years of service each, and you won't believe how down-to-earth and easy-going they are. It's like I've always observed, when real men accomplish great things they typically don't act as if they have anything to prove...because they don't. Experiencing how these guys carry themselves and hearing their insane stories is reason enough to tune in to this amazing episode, but the pure gold is mined when the topic du jour is covered in earnest. I brought up a direct quote from the Narcos series: 'Sometimes you gotta do bad things to catch bad people.' I was both amazed and thrilled to find that neither of my guests had ever been asked about that, so you're in for a world exclusive from the quintessential experts on the subject. What do men of character do when good seems to be the enemy of best? How does a man embrace his dark side when there's really no other choice? You'll love the discussion. Get free gifts, join the Facebook group, talk to me directly for 25-minutes free and more when you visit https://mountaintoppodcast.com === HELP US SEND THE MESSAGE TO GREAT MEN EVERYWHERE === We'll keep the solid, actionable content coming...all for free. If you love what you hear, please give us a 'thumbs up' by rating the show (takes one second) and leaving us a review. As we say here in Texas, we appreciate you!