Dr. Allen Miner (00:30.712)

Hey, thanks, Dr. Brian and we've got Dr. Scott Gamm with us today Dr. Scott I've known he was in UAC many years ago and then and then kind of upgraded his life and came back into UAC and Scott of all the people we talked to and in UAC I do think you have one of the most Unique practices out there and I know there's a lot we can share that will

Bless anybody listening. You're out of Decorah, Iowa, which is the northeast corner. You're kind of tucked up, not far from Minneapolis, Wisconsin. Largely an upper cervical kind of emphasis practice and you're in a community. I found this interesting. A town of 1700 people and there's 14 chiropractors.

Scott Gamm D.C. (01:17.549)

There's about 7,000 people, but 14 chiropractors. And there's in every little town around here that are even the towns of 500 people still have a chiropractor. It's kind of the nature of it. Yeah, it's amazing.

Dr. Allen Miner (01:20.788)

7,000 subs

Dr. Allen Miner (01:27.444)

So I love it. You're in the middle of an Amish community. Am I saying that right? it Amish is the...

Scott Gamm D.C. (01:35.501)

Yeah, so we have a huge Amish practice. I'm just going to tell the story of how that happened because they're not that close either. That's the unique thing is that we started, it all started with we had a midwife come in and she delivered over a thousand Amish babies. And the very first referral we got that was Amish was three years ago. And they brought in this baby and this baby's name was Rebecca and she was purple and she never stopped screaming. And she had this, face,

Dr. Allen Miner (01:39.656)

Please, take away. okay.

Scott Gamm D.C. (02:04.301)

was doing this, so it was twitching, and the opposite leg was shaking violently. They'd been to a medical doctor, a medical doctor neurologist, a chiropractor, a chiropractic neurologist, all within one month. This is how bad this baby was. And from the moment she woke up to the moment she went, she was bright purple and she screamed. And I've adjusted a few children. I've always had kind of a family practice, but I've never had a little kid come in like this.

Dr. Brian Capra (02:20.881)

or

Dr. Allen Miner (02:26.323)

Hmm.

Scott Gamm D.C. (02:35.297)

That's the moment that I want everyone listening to this to really understand is that you are not in charge of that moment and God puts those people in front of you in that exact moment so that you can step into that moment and it's just to have that faith that Chiropractic we stand on the shoulders the giants who came before me. I don't have to create upper cervical chiropractic I don't have to create the concept of innate intelligence, but I have to be so good at honoring it and being so present with it

When I laid my hands on that little girl, I knew her atlas was severely subluxated. I laid my hands on her, I did an upper cervical adjustment, and I let her go. And it was about a 30 second thing and my ears were ringing, she screamed so loud. I said, bring her back next week. They brought her back next week. She was pretty much a normal color. Her face had had no more twitching. Her leg was just doing a little bit of that. Adjusted her again. I said, bring her back in two weeks. Brought her back in two weeks, normal baby.

Dr. Allen Miner (03:33.564)

Great.

Scott Gamm D.C. (03:34.379)

Three years, 2,500 referrals later.

Dr. Brian Capra (03:37.971)

Dr. Allen Miner (03:38.514)

And that's just because of the midwife who's part of the Amish community then became your champion.

Scott Gamm D.C. (03:43.595)

Correct, yes. so, you know, when you talk about a referral basis, and now the Amish have a saying that an Amish mother will go to the moon to find a good chiropractor. Okay, and what that means is that they have been to every single chiropractor in the area. They don't, someone new comes out, they talk about things, they all kind of, one or two will go in there, they'll check them out, and if they get really good results, they agree with the philosophy, they'll start referring.

Dr. Allen Miner (03:54.962)

Interesting.

Scott Gamm D.C. (04:13.334)

But it's very, very sporadic. so when we were just honestly so far advanced in our understanding of the upper cervical philosophy, and when these patients are coming in, they don't come into you because my neck hurt, maybe I had a headache or something like that. They come in you because you all of a sudden had become their primary form of healthcare. They're coming in you because subluxation is a real thing to them.

When you adjust them, they fully expect their nervous system to get turned on so fully that their body will heal. And if you can't deliver the goods, they'll go find somebody else.

Dr. Allen Miner (04:48.69)

Scott, what do you see in, from the little bit I know about the Amish, I'd imagine they're in today's world a much less toxic group of people, which probably harkens back to maybe a hundred years ago, the kinds of people chiropractors got to adjust. There isn't the world today. Can you speak to that a little bit? What is it like taking care of people who don't have the technology and the toxicity that most of us live with?

Scott Gamm D.C. (05:08.021)

Sure.

Scott Gamm D.C. (05:12.202)

Yep. It's fascinating because they have the same toxicity of the foods. They do tend to grow their own foods. They grow them healthier and more naturally, but they still have airplanes flying over, dropping crap on us. Right? I mean, we still have, you know, glyphosate. We still have herbicides. We still have, they have tons of gut problems. They have major sugar problems. They have just as many problems with gluten, but they also go milk their own cow.

Dr. Brian Capra (05:40.243)

All right.

Scott Gamm D.C. (05:40.595)

So the dairy that they're getting is so much better than we can hardly ever process. And the fascinating thing is, is we had to modify our care schedule because we do 100 % cash, 100 % care plans. It's a million dollar clinic. It's a very busy place. And what we found is they have to go and get a driver. They load up the whole family. Like earlier today, we had two different van loads of people who come in. One came from four hours away. The other one came from two and a half hours away. Another group came up from about six hours away.

Dr. Allen Miner (05:40.657)

Yeah.

Scott Gamm D.C. (06:09.427)

And that was our morning shift. And these people are coming in and we had a little girl and they go, do you remember her? And I was like, no, I don't. Because we see so many of them, I don't remember a of the names. And we take care of kids about once a month until they get neurologically sound and then once a quarter for the rest of their life. That's what I tell them. And she goes, she was the one who had the facial, the Bell's policy. She couldn't smile. And she's like, smile at him. And she's like, she smiled, her face actually rose up. And I saw her one time a month ago.

Dr. Allen Miner (06:12.146)

Have fun.

Dr. Allen Miner (06:25.627)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Allen Miner (06:31.04)

wow.

Scott Gamm D.C. (06:37.739)

And she'd had this from the time she was born. And she got an upper cervical adjustment, all of sudden she's able to smile. And I had another little girl, they come in and they go, I go anything change with her? And they go, well, we went out to eat right after the adjustment last time, last month. And she was at the restaurant and she goes, there's only one person. And they go, what do you mean? She goes, well, I've always seen two people.

Dr. Allen Miner (06:40.015)

Wow, that's awesome.

Dr. Brian Capra (07:04.742)

double vision. Holy cow. So best practices open near Amish communities and just save one life.

Scott Gamm D.C. (07:05.995)

She had double vision and they couldn't figure it out and she got adjusted and it became one.

Dr. Allen Miner (07:06.289)

Well, that was fun.

Scott Gamm D.C. (07:15.506)

Not at all. Not at all. Because unless you're so good, they will blow by you. That's the thing about Amish. I'm surrounded by car drivers, don't see hardly a single Amish person. Yeah, so the best secret...

Dr. Allen Miner (07:16.922)

Ha ha ha ha ha!

Dr. Brian Capra (07:23.729)

Yeah, but they come in under the radar, you don't even know, you know.

Scott Gamm D.C. (07:28.456)

Right, the best secret is to be so present and have so much actual true faith in the adjustment and that I believe that we should be that first person they ever go see is we all believe as chiropractors and yet within, we call them English and Amish at this point because we have so many different, when people come in it's about 50 % Amish, 50 % English. And so when the English come in, they have a largely different perception of what you're going to do.

Even though it's the same conversation, it's the same x-ray, it's the same everything. And the reason the Amish heal faster is because they're so good at community. That's why they heal faster. It's because people have their back and they're willing to say this is the best practice. And I think that's why I love UAC so much is because it's the same thing. It's not a competition out here. Everybody here is successful. Everybody here gets great results. They all have their miracle stories. The difference in why I invite anybody who ever

comes into there is because you're surrounding yourself with a group of family, people who've been through the hard knocks and they're not in competition, they're just willing to share. Here's the best practice, what are you struggling with? And it's not like I'm trying to build a bigger practice than anybody, because there's even different business models out there. But the truth is, that's why the Amish heal faster. It's not better nutrition, it's better family.

Dr. Allen Miner (08:41.674)

Sure.

Dr. Allen Miner (08:47.216)

community. So Scott, two things. One, were you this person and that's why you attracted them? Or did you have to evolve as you were it landed in that community to then get to the level? You know, did it come from you? Or did you quickly see what was happening and adapt your certainty? How?

Scott Gamm D.C. (09:08.883)

Yeah, haven't, I didn't adapt at all. They just kind of found me, you know, and I just showed up and you know, and I think as know, chiropractor is part of it, you know, I'm really into habit tracking. So, you know, I know that I am so unbelievably prepared when I walk in that door. You know, I've woken up in the morning, I have my nutrition, my workout program, my meditation, my prayer, my mindset, my cold shower, you know, all of these things that we're doing and we're tracking.

Dr. Allen Miner (09:13.013)

You were who you were, you showed up with your... That's awesome.

Scott Gamm D.C. (09:38.833)

I know that I have to be my best patient. And by doing that, I have no fear that someone else is going to walk in here and know more about what we know. We all have our doctorates, right? We're all studied. We got the goods and at least to some extent in school and then hopefully we kept training after that. But the reality is when you're reading those green books and you're in faith and you're stepping into yourself every day to be your best self, eventually, whether it's Amish, English,

Dr. Allen Miner (09:43.201)

Yeah, very good. Congratulations.

Scott Gamm D.C. (10:07.932)

doesn't matter anywhere you drop a great chiropractor anywhere in the world, within a few years their community is going to find them.

Dr. Allen Miner (10:14.575)

Thank

Dr. Brian Capra (10:15.165)

So it sounds like actually overall that your best practice is about preparation. And that's why this is you've been a magnet for.

Scott Gamm D.C. (10:22.044)

Yeah, absolutely.

Dr. Allen Miner (10:24.815)

And certainty, I'd say certainty too. mean, you have the certainty that your, I always go back to, Demartini talks about healing happens with presence, love, certainty and gratitude. And that's really what I'm hearing there is your present time consciousness, your preparation, your certainty, getting your mind right, the love, the gratitude. I'm curious, what's the symbol mean here as you're talking? I notice you've got your name and that has to relate to this.

Scott Gamm D.C. (10:35.336)

100%.

Scott Gamm D.C. (10:47.727)

yeah. It's also the same tattoo. it was when I was first learning straight upper cervical and I really got into that. And so what it means is we just told the story to a client earlier this morning is that the body heals from above down inside out. We let the light in so the darkness leaves. There's three types of stress, thoughts, traumas and toxins. Everything comes full circle in life. And the only way is through is through love.

Dr. Allen Miner (10:52.001)

God.

Scott Gamm D.C. (11:15.443)

You'll continually face the same thing until you find self love, love of God, in my case love of Christ, until you step forward as the man or woman you know you're going to be, then you're just going to keep facing the same stuff. And that's the evolution and it doesn't really matter what technique. I did have a patient come in here this morning though terrified to get her first adjustment. She was English, she had what's called an outer pattern atlas. So her head was off to this side, her atlas was on the left, and you have to use essentially a really

Amazing upper technique with a lot of torque to bring the head all the way back and around She was so scared to get adjusted and no offense to any chiropractors out there She should have been the wrong adjustment would have spun this girl out. You know her history was she'd been Recently she just started passing out she'd hold her head like this further kinking of her dupal arteries or you know vestibular apparatus and whoop see ya So put an adjustment there strand her right out. She's like I can breathe for the first time

Dr. Brian Capra (12:07.378)

Wow.

Dr. Allen Miner (12:07.414)

Wow.

Scott Gamm D.C. (12:12.079)

It was a birth trauma. She'd been out her entire life.

Dr. Brian Capra (12:14.685)

Wow.

Dr. Allen Miner (12:15.99)

What's it like, Dr. Scott, where being a primary care physician, mean, essentially what you are, you're the first line for this community. What's that like? A lot of chiropractors want to be a primary care physician. They build themselves that way, but in the world, the truth is you're probably not. Whereas in that community, I think you probably really are the first person they go to.

Scott Gamm D.C. (12:41.639)

Very much so.

Dr. Allen Miner (12:43.598)

And you're reminding me, I have an uncle who was a chiropractor in Santa Fe, New Mexico, and he had stories a lot like yours and families, know, a of Native American families, and he was their doctor. And the healings that I, the stories he told as we grew up were very much what you're sharing here. So, you know, that's always the dream, I think, as a chiropractor is let's clear that interference first. Let's remove that subluxation.

But again, that's not usually it's flipped. So how's that experience been being a true primary care doc?

Scott Gamm D.C. (13:21.169)

You know, I think you have to always stay humble no matter what, right? Because that's where I think chiropractors always lead is from empathy, right? And if you're willing to really sit with someone and listen, and you truly believe that gravity is real and that the body is intelligently made, and if their body's out of alignment against gravity, there is a stress or resistance to that innate intelligence doing exactly what it's supposed to.

If you live in that moment, of course there's detoxification. We have our clients soak their feet in epsom salt every night to help detox. Of course there's good nutrition. Of course we teach breath work and how to actually really in tune their body. But if they're subluxated, those things don't work as good. And how do we know that? Because people try all those things and still come into us anyway. So if we start with what we're actually trained in, and we believe in those simple philosophy of above down, inside out.

Dr. Brian Capra (14:07.411)

.

Dr. Allen Miner (14:07.479)

Thank

Scott Gamm D.C. (14:16.753)

then the rest really does take care of itself. Because nutrition's not hard, it makes you inflamed or it doesn't. If it does make you inflamed, you're not going to heal as fast and you have to deal with the consequences of that. If you don't breathe, well then you can start to learn a simple breathing technique. And if you do that, we tell people every time you look at the clock, breathe, there's time to breathe. And you start training people on simple little things, they start to learn and educate themselves because the best doctor's within them. The doctor innate,

Dr. Allen Miner (14:28.492)

Yeah.

Scott Gamm D.C. (14:45.635)

is built into them. We tell every single mother that. We say, listen, we're going to adjust your kid once a month until the neurological complications improve. And then we believe in quarterly care the rest of your life. And also the best doctors within you, and you know best. You know better than anybody else, including me. And when you feel that that child needs an adjustment, you absolutely bring them in here. It's the first line of defense to raise a healthy child is a subluxation-free nervous system.

Dr. Allen Miner (15:12.301)

Awesome. Well, last question, Scott. This has been fabulous. Thank you for, you know, again, it's the core of what everybody in UAC came together around this principle. And although people are off in many different directions, it's always inspiring to get back to the core. And you brought that beautifully. UAC, what's the benefit? What's been the benefit to you to being a part of that group? You touched on it a little bit earlier, but I'll ask it formally.

Scott Gamm D.C. (15:39.93)

Yeah, no, I think the benefit is that chiropractic is a very lonely world. It just is. know, Patrick Jintempo said it best. He said to be a great chiropractor, there's got to be a little bastard inside you. You know, there's got to be that little thing where every single other person's going down the Autobahn of self-destruction and you step off and find a little goat trail up to the top of a mountain and you're going meet some really cool folks along the way as a principal chiropractor. But you got to step on that goat trail. You got to find your own unique thing and I...

believe UAC has every single person there. There's not a cookie cutter clinic in there. Every single person has created their own authentic voice, followed their own dream, whether it was staying within chiropractic or finding some modality or some service outside of that. But they come from that core little bastard, that core little thing that says, you know what? It's different. I believe in it. I'm going to do it anyway. And those people who are serving, no matter what they're doing, only with reckless abandon. They're just not worried about what else is going to think or say or do.

Dr. Allen Miner (16:14.326)

Mm.

Scott Gamm D.C. (16:37.775)

They're so hard to find and when you find them, you hold on to them. That's why I love UAC and I'm so glad to be back in and serving at the highest level I can even in this community because you know what? They're really hard to find those people and when you find them, you hold on to them.

Dr. Allen Miner (16:50.066)

It's awesome Dr. Scott. Yeah, thank you so much for sharing that inspired me and we love you brother. Thank you. Have a good one man. We'll see you guys.

Dr. Brian Capra (16:52.62)

We're happy to have you, man. We're blessed.

Scott Gamm D.C. (16:59.17)

Awesome. Love you

Dr. Brian Capra (16:59.677)

See you soon.

Dr. Allen Miner (17:04.853)

Good job. You guys can hop off. I now record the intro while we're still in the same take. Great work, Scott. I appreciate it. Brian, I'll text you to come back in as soon as I'm done there. Thanks, guys. We'll see you.

Scott Gamm D.C. (17:11.433)

got it.

Scott Gamm D.C. (17:16.024)

Great seeing you guys. Bye.

Dr. Allen Miner (17:39.627)

All right, recording the intro to go at the front here. All right, here we go. Hey everyone, this is a great episode today with Dr. Scott Gam. He's out of Iowa, takes care of a large group of most of his practices from the Amish community, people traveling from all over, mean, six hours away to get adjusted by him. And it really gets back to the core of what chiropractic is, innate intelligence, the certainty you have as a practitioner.

how you see amazing healings, this is inspiring. Especially as chiropractic changes and evolves, it's always such a good reminder to get back to the core and our roots. And that's what today's podcast is all about with Dr. Scott Gam. Today, our sponsor is Genesys, also ClinicMind. So ClinicMind, you know them as Genesys EHR system. And Dr. Brian Capra, who's my co-host, is the founder of ClinicMind and Genesys.

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