In this episode of Trying 2 Win Sara Lincoln and Tricia Derr talk with Sally Higgins, a lawyer turned artist turned painter, who created the podcast’s cover art background, “Brave Enough.”

“Creative” is not a word often associated with lawyers or the legal system. In society, many view lawyers (and those in other legal positions) as people driven by logic, precision and persuasion. While they are not wrong, there is much more to it. In addition to delivering perfectly worded closing arguments to the courtroom, successful lawyers possess creative skills that are crucial to the job.