Joe talks with Chris Slorach of Metz during the pandemic.  They discuss non-touring life, creating a memorable experiences for your children and why teaching anti-racism is more powerful than "non racism" for future generations.  Chris also tells us why he thinks Scott Walker is the coolest person in the world and pays his respects to Vern Rumsey of Unwound. We hear two new Metz tunes. Enjoy. Music by Metz and Joe Plummer