Joe talks with Sam Spiegel of N.A.S.A. during the Covid-19 pandemic and the social unrest following the murder of George Floyd.

They discuss Sam's creative routine, the the connection of the protest and social awareness and why living in the moment is important for him during quarantine. We hear "Don't Give Up" from his newest record "Random Shit from the Internet Era" featuring Busta Rhymes, Sia and Vic Mensa.