In our most meta podcast to date, Matt is joined by public radio journalist and author Celeste Headlee to discuss what it takes to become a great host.

Some of you may recognize Celeste's name from her work with a variety of publications including NPR, PBC, GPB, and PRI. In addition to her spoken work, Celeste is the author of two books, We Need to Talk: How to Have Conversations That Matter, and Heard Mentality: An A-Z Guide on How to Take Your Podcast or Radio Show from Idea to Hit.

Together, Matt and Celeste dive into the two major components of being a great podcast host: what can be taught and what is innate.

If you've ever considered podcasting, or currently host your own, be sure to listen in today and discover what your podcast could be missing!

Links: Celeste Headlee LinkedIn | Heard Mentality: An A-Z Guide to Take Your Podcast or Radio Show From Idea to a Hit|Celeste Headlee TED Talk: 10 Ways to have a better conservation | We Need to Talk : How to have Conversations That Matter