Today's Conversation

Today's Conversation


Shirley Mullen | Claiming the Courageous Middle

July 15, 2024

In the midst of deep political and cultural polarization, there remains an underutilized space: the middle. Shirley Mullen argues that this “middle” is not “bland averaging, moral cowardice or lazy indifference.” Instead the courageous middle is a daring way to live and work together for a more hopeful future.


Shirley Mullen, president emerita of Houghton University, joins NAE President Walter Kim for Today’s Conversation podcast, and casts a vision for how each of us can claim the courageous middle in this election season and beyond.


You’ll also hear Shirley and Walter discuss:

  • How active listening and bridge-building is central to the middle space;
  • Why being in the middle is labor intensive, but offers real possibilities for lasting change;
  • How institutions and individuals have navigated this space and seen fruit of their labors; and
  • Where those who feel disillusioned by polarization can find encouragement.


For a complete list of show notes: NAE.org/mullenpodcast/