Coach as he is most often referred to, has a lot of wisdom to share. That goes without saying. The life experience he has from his various roles working with young offenders as well as his wealth of experience working with athletes has made him into the individual he is today. 
We talked about the joy that he gets from being a grandparent, a husband, and from seeing people get that light bulb moment as they first get comfortable in the gym. 
We talked about life's toughest challenges and dark moments and how fitness helps with them. We also talked about the weirdest pre competition ritual he's ever witnessed and I asked him what his favourite things were about dogs and what he admires most about his wife. 
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