R: In this edition of the Dating Show, we’re talking about makeup. Now this is your bag, isn’t it, Debbie. It’s more your bag than my bag. It’s more your makeup bag than my makeup bag, isn’t it?

D: -laughter- It’s more my bag but I’m not a person who wears too much makeup.

R: Woah, woah, woah! I was about to say, I’ve got a script here that says you’re one of those women who wears a lot of makeup.

-awkward silence-

R: Oh sorry, it says “doesn’t wear a lot of makeup.”

D: That’s more right.

R: You don’t actually do you?

D: No.

R: You’re naturally beautiful.

D: Well Rod, that’s a very nice thing to say. And so are you, naturally beautiful.

R: Do you wear any makeup?

D: I do often, but hopefully you don’t notice that I’m wearing it because I like it to be understated because I don’t want the makeup to be noticed, but me more.

R: But are you wearing any at the moment?

D: Today, actually I’m not.

R: Right…

D: No. I’m working, I’m hidden, no-one’s going to see me.

R: Well I can!

D: Yes, you can!

R: You just don’t need it.

D: Thank you very much! I do wear it when I need a confidence boost. If I’m going out, definitely. I don’t wear as much makeup as my daughter who wears false eyelashes, foundation and everything. I don’t do that. I’ve never done that though.

R: I do wear false eyelashes.

D: They look good. There’s a little mascara running.

-laughter-

R: So we’ve actually managed to get Sian RIchards on the show now. She’s one of the world’s most famous makeup artists.

D: Wow!

R: She’s worked with all the greats, all the Hollywood people and she’s going to come on and give us a few tips.

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R: As a makeup artist yourself, do you wear much makeup? I’ve seen a picture of you, you’re quite stunning!

S: Thanks! I’m not a big advocate of putting on tons of makeup because I think that you wear the makeup, it doesn’t wear you. I like to see skin and I think that beauty really does come from within. You’ve got to take care of yourself. There’s no harm in amping it up every so often, but trowelling it on is not the way ago. Maybe 30, 40, 50 years ago when makeup was different. That was a different time. In this day and age, there’s not really the need to wear a whole heap of makeup on your face.

R: Is the key to this ‘less is more’?

S: Absolutely! I actually don’t think the opposite sex particularly like a women that is covered in makeup. I think they like to see the natural beauty and the real deal.

R: What tips can you give women?

S: First of all, there is no second place to a good night’s sleep. Your face relaxes when you sleep. Everything starts healing overnight and believe me, you’re talking with someone who does get sleep-deprived and every so often I have to crash out for 10 hours because I’m on the go so much. A good night’s sleep is essential. Hydration is also, drink lots of water and keep your skin hydrated. A healthy diet is also important. Get rid of cigarettes because they absolutely destroy your skin. What people don’t realise is, if you’re a heavy smoker, what happens 10 years after you start, your skin changes. It becomes oilier, more leathery in texture. It’s very ageing for you further down the line. Ageing is something everyone is aware of. What we do now always shows up 10 years later. I would say the younger they start taking care of themselves from the inside out, then the less makeup they’d have to wear later and the younger and more youthful and fresh people will always look. Also, your makeup lasts longer when you use it because your skin is producing less oil.

R: What about men and makeup? Do you think should wear a bit?

S: I don’t see a problem you know!

R: Really?

S: Yeah! It depends what it is. I have a friend of mine who was pretty blotchy in his skin and he said “what am I going to do, how do I level it out?”. I recommended a little product to him, a little concealer that I like to use that was very lightweight. He started using it and it doesn’t look like he’s got makeup on. It just got rid of all of that redness and gave him so much more confidence because he didn’t feel so obvious about it. So I think if you get the right advice and you’re given the right product, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with guys getting a little bit of corrective. And if a guy wants a little bit of eyeshadow, then so be it! That’s his style, sort of punky or off the wall. I don’t mind that either, I think that can look really sexy on some guys.

R: I might have to give that a go!

S: -laughter- I don’t know, love! I haven’t seen you properly.

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R: Let’s just talk about your work in films and TV. What’s been the highlight for you?

S: I think the highlight in the last five years was winning Critics’ Choice award for best makeup. I did a feature film called Cloud Atlas and I was Halle Berry’s personal makeup artist on that movie. I did five or six different makeups on her. Ageing makeup, beauty makeups, I changed her skin tone three times. I made her white into a 1930s German Jew. We as a department, the two department heads and myself won, because every actor, every lead, Tom Hanks as well, had to have a lot of character changes. It was a real makeup intense movie. Definitely turning one of the most famous black women white and her not being recognisable, or turning her into an old lady, or whatever it was, it definitely got a lot of attention. That was glorious because it was a dream come true having all those different varieties of makeup to do.

R: And these stars, you see them in magazines and on the screen. Is their skin as pristine and are they as good looking in real life?

S: What everyone needs to remember, and we need to keep this at the front of our vision here, is that no actor that you see on a red carpet or on a magazine hasn’t had a personal hairdresser or a groomer. They go to the gym, they have personal trainers. They watch their diets, they may have a smoke and then they go and work out like crazy. They have Photoshopping all the time. They’re lit properly. There is a lot to be said for putting a good light on someone, and lighting someone badly. You can age someone 10 years just by moving a light four inches further up. So the public have got to give themselves a break and understand that everybody’s human and anyone can actually look like a movie star if they have the same treatment that the movie stars do.

R: That was Sian Richards. She’s worked with Halle Berry!

D: How amazing?!

R: Who’s Halle Berry?

D: Halle Berry, she’s…

R: I’m joking, of course I know who Halle Belly, Berry is.

D:-laughter-

R: She mentioned Tom Hanks there, didn’t she?

D: He’s one of my favourite actors.

R: I like Tom Hanks.

D: He’s gorgeous, even though he’s aged a little.

R: I think he’s a good actor.

D: Yeah he’s that too.

R: Yeah?

D: Yeah.

R: She mentioned men maybe wearing a bit of eyeshadow. Maybe I should try that. A bit of purple?

D: She was suggesting it might look good on some men Rod.

R: -laughter-

D: But actually I think for maybe teenagers or young men in their 20s.

R: Just a little bit!

D: OK.

R: So she made some good points there, didn’t she?

D: Excellent, fantastic!

R: Did it help you as a woman?

D: Yes! But what I really liked was her point about beauty coming from within, because that’s so important and it’s really easy for us…

R: Beauty comes from within?! Those are the sort of things that drive me mad!

D: Why?

R: Beauty is from within?! No it’s not! Well it is, but it’s not…

D: It so is!

R: I don’t know whether it’s within or without.

-laughter-

D: Well in your case, yeah… But anyway, it is so true because what’s inside shows and all this other stuff compared to film stars, we can feel so inadequate and yet they’ve had so much done to them to make them look beautiful and glamorous. We’ve got to remember that!

R: Beauty is from within?!

D: Yes it is!

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