We discuss: - non-profit vs corporate culture - fundraising - issues of grant funding - lack of operating budget available vs special programs - artists' books - book artists - altered books - whether to use white gloves or not - new technologies in bookmaking - the investment of time and money needed to produce a book - who collects artist books   3 people that he recommends: Hedi Kyle - https://www.artofthefold.com/hedi-kyle Tia Blassingame - https://www.primrosepress.com Claire Van Vliet - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claire_Van_Vliet   People + Places mentioned: Codex book art fair - https://www.codexfoundation.org Printed Matter Art Book fair - https://www.printedmatter.org Jessica Spring - https://springtidepress.com Risograph - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risograph 3D Printed Typefaces - http://www.chalkstudios.co.uk/project/a23d-3d-printed-letterpress/ M & H Type Foundry - https://www.arionpress.com/mandh-about the Book Makers Documentary - https://www.thebookmakersfilm.com The Bancroft Library, University of California, Berkeley - https://www.lib.berkeley.edu/libraries/bancroft-library/rare-books-collection   https://www.sfcb.org   Hosted by Matthew Dols http://www.matthewdols.com Supported in part by: EEA Grants from Iceland, Liechtenstein + Norway https://eeagrants.org and we appreciate the assistance of our partners in this project: Hunt Kastner – https://huntkastner.com Kunstsentrene i Norge – https://www.kunstsentrene.no