We discussed: - the nature of Wabi Sabi - you do not publish photo art books for the money - the disconnect within the photography industry - the need to be challenged - the problems with contemporary art education - the gamification of the art world - focusing on being an artist not a brand - tertiary forms of income - the importance of relationship building - business models of photo book publishing - contemporary printing technologies - rgb vs cmyk - book fairs - crowd funding - knowing your strength and weaknesses   People + Places Mentioned: Robert Lyons - https://robertlyonsphoto.com/ Justin Fiset - https://justinfiset.com/ Brandon Thibodeaux - https://www.brandonthibodeaux.com Review Santa Fe Photo Festival - https://visitcenter.org/rsf-overview/ Medium Review - https://www.mediumphoto.org/review Jenny Riffle - https://www.jennyriffle.com/ Lisa Elmaleh - http://www.lisaelmaleh.com/ Chris Bennett - http://www.christopherbennett.net Steidl - https://steidl.de Imageless Publisher - https://www.imageless.cn/ Skinnerboox - https://www.skinnerboox.com/ International Color Consortium (ICC) - http://www.color.org LA Art Book Fair - https://laabf2020.printedmatterartbookfairs.org New York Art Book Fair - https://pmvabf.org/ Paris Photo - https://www.parisphoto.com Polycopies - http://www.polycopies.net/ The Association of International Photography Art Dealers (AIPAD)- https://aipad.com John Sanderson - https://www.john-sanderson.com TBW Books - https://tbwbooks.com/ Jerry Uelsmann - https://www.uelsmann.net/ Sophie Ebrard (behind the scenes of pornography series) - https://www.sophieebrard.com/   3 creative people who he thinks should get some more exposure: Joshua Rashaad McFadden - http://www.joshuarashaad.com/ Joseph Rodriguez - http://www.josephrodriguezphotography.com/ your local photographer