Opening season 5 with this episode seems fitting, with the release of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC) damning report that found escaping human caused climate change is no longer possible. Even if earth’s climate was stablised in the near future, some of the climate change induced damage could not be reversed in centuries, or even millenia. We should expect worse fires, longer droughts, and more severe floods.

My guest today is Scott Ludlam, former deputy leader of the Australia Greens and Senator from 2008 – 2017. Scott is a lifelong climate activist and for his first book, Full Circle is a deep exploration of the failures of the financial and political systems that have led us to this place in time, where political, human and natural systems are on the verge of collapse. While the book is sobering, Scott also asks “How can we can make our systems more humane, regenerative, and more in tune with nature?”

Join Scott and I for a wonderfully explorative dive into the book!