Stian is someone who has been quite deeply involved in the 9/11 Truth community and the UFO community. He also just read my book: Escaping the Rabbit Hole, and has a few questions for me about my approach to debunking.  We also cover the slippery slope of internet censorship, the sometimes useful role of conspiracy promoters, how to find common ground, and what I think about the Tic-Tac UFO.

* 0:00:49 – Defining the Term “Debunked”
* 0:08:27 – French Wikipedia’s Misleading Metabunk References, and “teams”
* 0:12:30 – I don’t have a monolithic following
* 0:13:41 – The term “conspiracy theorist” – a bad thing?
* 0:21:05 – The “explosives theory” of 9/11, can we separate that from the “conspiracy theory”?
* 0:23:25 – “Plausible” vs. “Probable”
* 0:25:14 – “False Balance” in chemtrails and 9/11
* 0:28:25 – Science by debate or by demonstration?
* 0:34:28 – Who decides what is science, and what can be discussed or debated?
* 0:36:05 – The “slippery slope” of content shaping, suppression, and censorship.
* 0:37:43 – Violent extremism as a rationale for YouTube suppressing conspiracy theories.
* 0:41:02 – Finding common ground with extremists, and the dangers of the marginalization of budding extremists
* 0:43:05 – Is the censorship of Alex Jones, on balance, a net positive thing?
* 0:45:03 – The role of second chances, redemption, and forgiveness.
* 0:46:49 – Evolution of conversational debunking approaches over time
* 0:48:23 – The evolution and future of 9/11 Truth
* 0:49:44 – The importance of opposing voices and allowing
* 0:51:30 – Are “chemtrails” people an important (or at least useful) voice?
* 0:57:58 – The role of mainstream media in communicating real and constructive news.
* 1:0028 – The military-industrial complex
* 1:01:39 – The importance of studying more mainstream topics as a foundation for discussion
* 1:09:41 – UFOs, the Nimitz “Tic-Tac” incident.
* 1:16:50 – The Navy UFO videos being “real”
* 1:18:34 – Greer and the Disclosure Project, Stian’s involvement in the Disclosure “cult”
* 1:22:02 – TTSA being Militaristic, the Army CRADA agreement and “Active Camouflage”
* 1:29:00 – The Colorado and Nebraska drone flap
* 1:31:24 – J. Allen Hynek and the UFO “old stuff”
* 1:36:59 – Last words