Take 2

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Take 2 Podcast: President Nelson, Grand Blanc shooting, Turning Point USA continues tour

October 02, 2025

Hosts: Heidi Hatch, Scott Howell (former Utah Senate Minority Leader), John Dougal, Esq.

Note: Scott Howell joined late after being held up in a meeting at the State Capitol.

Topics This Week:

  • The death of Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints President Russell M. Nelson, with President Dallin H. Oaks next in line. Will a change in leadership shape Utah policy, and has it in the past?
  • The church responds to injuries and a death following a shooting and fire at the Grand Blanc meetinghouse.
  • Turning Point USA continues its campus tour with a stop at Utah State University, just three weeks after the death of Charlie Kirk.
  • Day two of the government shutdown, including discussion around the Department of Defense and war meetings.
  • Utah redistricting maps gain backing from both parties.
  • Sen. Dan McCay says he will not run for re-election if his wife wins the Riverton mayoral race.

Opinions Featured:

  • Free speech belongs to all Americans — not just to Charlie Kirk by Scott Howell
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  • Lessons from Middle Earth — the danger of unchecked power by John Dougal
  • Read here

Coming Up:

  • Riverton Mayor Trent Staggs joins next week
  • Utah House Speaker Mike Schultz on Oct. 16


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