Kevin Ring, Director of Strategic Initiatives for Families Against Mandatory Minimums, former lobbyist and associate to Jack Abramoff, joins the show to talk about our prison system today and the impact it has on all of us. Key Takeaways: [2:18] Hear about the kind of money a lobbyist can make [10:53] The amount of money he spent as a lobbyist that got him sent to prison on bribery charges. [14:33] The United States incarceration rate and the government’s ability to find a crime you committed [21:51] How much money Kevin had to spend, while cooperating with the government, to defend himself in court [26:47] The dangers of privatized prisons [32:10] What people can do to change the system Website Mentioned: www.famm.org