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Video clip: [00:00:00] I was on Facebook one day, and I found this video, I press play it was the worst video I’ve ever seen. It needs to be stopped immediately. People went nuts.
[00:00:20] Alex Tsakiris: That’s a clip from the Netflix documentary Don’t Fuck With Cats, which is about, well about many things, one about people who do very, very horribly evil things. And maybe I guess a bit of light at the end of the tunnel, how there does come a point when people are willing to face evil and collectively try and fight evil. It’s so documentary worth watching. But it also has an interesting corollary with today’s show, in my interview with a very excellent Dr. Pam Popper, if you don’t know Pam, if you don’t know her story, she’s the one who made the governor of her home state of Ohio back down and do an about face regarding his fear based ridiculous health policies. So we talked about a lot of things. She’s very inspirational. But we also talked about whether we can really crack the case the same way the Don’t Fuck With Cats people did. They get a lot of swings at the plate, you know what I mean? So it ain’t over. It ain’t over it. But you …
[00:01:23] Dr. Pam Popper: But every swing at the plate gets more careless. That’s the thing that to look at, it gets more careless. And it’s less incremental and incremental is the only way you keep this going. So what we’re left with is the stupidest people in the country are the only ones left that are buying into this. So you have people like me who from the get go, when you understood something was wrong. You had people who are stupid beyond comprehension. These are the sheep who are wearing masks in their cars. And we’re not going to do anything for those people. This middle group of people are persuadable. And those are the ones that are going to make the difference and they are coming our way. They’re not picking up anybody. Nobody is going to their side at this point in time.
[00:02:06] Alex Tsakiris: Like I said, inspirational love to think that it’s so. But this being Skeptiko. My also asked her about the evil slash spiritual angle in how we are to really understand at a deeper, deeper level, what’s going on here.
[00:02:21] Dr. Pam Popper: I think that what we’re dealing with is people who have no respect or regard for human life or any life. I’m not a devoutly religious person. Although I think there’s a God, there’s something, I think it’s God. And I think that this is a battle between good and evil. It’s not the first time that’s happened. I am a fan of Victor Frankel’s book, Man’s Search for Meaning. And so whether you believe in God or not, I think that all people who have character respect other humans, and we respect human life, we respect all life to a certain extent, the animals and the birds and the trees, and we have some respect for everything and all beings. The thing with evil people is that they respect nobody and nothing, except for their quest for power.
[00:03:14] Alex Tsakiris: Dr. Pam Popper was a great guest. I really hint you talking to her. And I hope you enjoy this interview too. And if you do,