Chris Knowles explores the dark side of deep state dabbling with extended consciousness. 

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Alex Tsakiris: [00:00:21] That’s Walt from Breaking Bad finally coming to grips with the fact that his discent into evil maybe wasn’t for the altruistic reasons he had told himself. It’s a topic we talk quite a bit about with today’s guest, the oh so excellent Chris Knowles.
To me, that speaks so much to these super patriot spooks and spies who want to tell us that they’re doing it all for us or for their country or for some other reason. 
Chris Knowles: [00:00:57] It’s interesting you brought this up because this is something I’ve been thinking quite a bit about, and I think that the descent into evil, into evil thinking, it goes in steps, it’s sort of like an initiatory process, so to speak.
You’re dealing with powers that are much greater than yourself, and it’s really delusional to think that you have anything to bargain for. 
If you could summon a creature that’s powerful enough to change your life or to curse somebody or whatever you think you want, what do you have to offer them? 
 

 

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Alex Tsakiris: [00:01:31] Welcome to Skeptiko where we explore controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers, thinkers, and their critics.
Today we’re joined by Chris Knowles. There’s no one quite like Chris through his super popular and influential blog, The Secret Sun, and his book, Our Gods Wear Spandex. A book which I think a lot of people would tell you has really forever changed the conversation about our occulted pop culture. 
Well, throughout all of that Chris has really gained reputation as our anchorman for the esoteric. I know when I first talked to Chris a few years ago, I was genuinely both excited and a little intimidated to talk to him, and that doesn’t happen very often for me. But fortunately, he’s a super nice and approachable guy. He just happens to be from Massachusetts, which doesn’t really fit all that, but he does, so here he is. Chris, welcome back. Thanks for joining me. 
Chris Knowles: [00:02:35] Oh, I’m so glad to be here, I really am. 
Alex Tsakiris: [00:02:39] Well, you have a new book and a work of fiction, He Will Live Up in the Sky, and it certainly hits all of the Skeptiko buttons. Unacknowledged science could never be a conspiracy, conspiracies and the malevolent forces of the world beyond our world.
So let’s jump into it. Tell people about this book. 
Chris Knowles: [00:03:05] Well, it’s a book that’s been five years in the making. It’s a book that I started quite a while ago, and there were a number of things that kind of prevented me from getting it done. But the lag was really helpful for me because it gave me a chance to really develop the ideas in it and change it quite a bit. It started off being a much different book than it is. 
But I wanted to explore a lot of the ideas that I’ve been writing about on the blog with a little bit more free reign. You know, when you’re writing on a blog and you’re sort of trying to keep it towards things that you can document, things that you can prove, you’ve got to be a little bit more… I mean,...