Just when you thought we couldn't surprise you any more, we brought you actual practicing ALCHEMISTS. Modern-day alchemy is such a secretive endeavor, one of our guests chose to use a pseudonym (you'll be able to tell who). Both Frater I.C.L. and the returning guest Bryant Walker are also members of The Hermetic Order Of the Golden Dawn, a secret society devoted to the study and practice of the occult, metaphysics, and paranormal activities.

Can you actually convert lead into gold? Is the philosopher's stone real? And who is the "collective Shadow" (it's Satan)? Listen to find out.

Note: this is Part One of our conversation with Frater I.C.L. and Bryant Walker. Part Two is dedicated to Demonic Evocations. All right, enough for today. Ora, lege, lege, lege, relege, labora et invenies (google it).

Check out Bry Walker's (aka Mr. Owl's) website. He wrote a new track for our podcast!

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