Mary and Erin respond to the new documentary film “15 Minutes of Shame” from Executive Producer Monica Lewinsky and Director Max Joseph. We watched this excellent new 90-minute film (now streaming on HBO Max) and discuss some of the issues brought to light including public shaming, how shame affects people, call-out vs calling-in with love, and how to heal shame through... forgiveness.     Here’s the poem Mary shares: “He drew a circle that shut me out - Heretic, rebel, a thing to flout. But love and I had the wit to win: We drew a circle and took him in!” ― Edwin Markham,  "Outwitted"  Mary Hayes Grieco is a forgiveness coach and the author of Unconditional Forgiveness, A Simple and Proven Method to Forgive Everyone and Everything, published by Simon and Schuster. Learn more about Mary’s forgiveness method “8 Steps to Freedom” here: https://www.forgivenesstraining.com/ Prof. Loretta J. Ross’s TED Talk: “Don't call people out -- call them in" is here. 15 Minutes of Shame documentary on HBO Max – Directed by Max Joseph & Exec. Prod Monica Lewinsky is here.