In this episode, Religica Theolab Founder Dr. Michael Reid Trice is in conversation with Dr. Serene Jones, who serves as president at the historic Union Theological Seminary in New York City. Dr. Jones is the author of several books, including Trauma and Grace and her recent title, Call It Grace. Dr. Jones is also the former president of the American Academy of Religion, and is a child, she notes, of the Oklahoma Plains. Take a listen!

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