In Episode 43 of Conversations with Cumberland Heights, host Dr. Nick Hayes sits down with Dr. John Kelly — Harvard professor, addiction researcher, and Founder of the Recovery Research Institute — for a compelling conversation about the evolving science of addiction recovery.

As substance use and mental health disorders continue to rise, the need for research-driven, effective solutions has never been more urgent. In this episode, Dr. Kelly breaks down how scientific research is helping us understand not just how people recover, but why certain treatments work — and how we can use that knowledge to improve outcomes for individuals and families.

Dr. Hayes and Dr. Kelly explore a range of topics, including:

• Why tracking long-term outcomes is critical
• How recovery research informs treatment planning
• The difference between abstinence and recovery capital
• How providers can use data to personalize care

Together, they reveal how treatment centers like Cumberland Heights are integrating cutting-edge science and real-world data to create programs that don’t just treat addiction — they transform lives.

Whether you’re a treatment provider, clinical professional, policy advocate, or someone in recovery, this conversation offers a rare inside look at the research shaping the future of behavioral health and addiction treatment.

If you're curious about the real science behind lasting recovery — and what it takes to move the field forward — you won’t want to miss this episode.

About our guest

Dr. John Kelly is a world-renowned expert in the science of addiction recovery. As the Founder of the Recovery Research Institute at Massachusetts General Hospital and a professor at Harvard Medical School, Dr. Kelly has published extensively on recovery pathways, treatment outcomes, and systems of care that support long-term healing. His work bridges the gap between research and real-world application in clinical settings across the globe.

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