What makes a good pop song, and has the value of a good pop song changed? In many ways, yes. Has the "soul" of a song been altered in a new landscape for music-making and music listening? Absolutely. Tom Junod is an award-winning writer-at-large for Esquire, and he's the guest on this episode. Junod has laments, theories, questions and frustrations over the current state of what makes it to modern radio and how the process has reach a saturation point. Popular music has never been more widely retrievable and yet at the same time never been this seemingly disposable. How did we get here, and what's coming in the next decade?