Growing horizontally, the seventh episode of the series The Tale and The Tongue, follows a conversation with graphic designer Katharina Hetzeneder. In Barcelona, she began to question the contribution of graphic design to social and political change. Katharina highlights the difference between working collectively and working with collectives; Katharina talkes about the notion of home and the influence of the rural—a reality she knows first-hand—and her relationship with and in urban environments.

The conversation with Katharina Hetzeneder took place on 30 December 2021. For many people the year ends by returning to the past, just before they start to flirt with expectations and promises from the recent future. This podcast episode is both, a spell for ending and beginning another year. It is sustained by a desire for conversation, between people but also within collective events larger than individualities.