by UFO History Buff & Author, Charles Lear

In last week’s blog, we looked at a case from British Columbia that involved two witnesses who said they not only saw a UFO on the night of October 3, 1981, described as an upside-down flying saucer with its dome underneath surrounded by four lights that were in the 3,6,9, and 12 o’clock positions, but also had encounters with MiB types afterwards. The main witness, a 16-year-old who ran his own security company, Grant Breiland, reportedly took a photo that was not developed at the time of the article. The other witness, identified only as “N.B.” was a 19-year-old male who said he saw the same object. Breiland was interviewed extensively by former University of Victoria linguistics professor, Dr. P.M.H. Edwards. Edwards wrote a report that was published in the Vol. 27, No. 4, January 1982 Flying Saucer Review.

When we left off, Breiland had just been confronted in the glass-doored vestibule of a shopping mall by two men dressed in extremely dark blue clothing. They were stiff and robotic, had tanned faces and lips the same color, no eyebrows, and “Eton crop” haircuts. He was scared by not only their non-human appearance, but also by the fact that there were suddenly no people to be seen anywhere, which was the case during the entire encounter. According to Edwards, they asked him what his name was, where he lived, what his phone number was, and he refused to answer. After staring at him for five seconds, they turned on their heels “as one man,” walked outside (it was raining), crossed the sidewalk to the road, went left, and walked in sync in a military fashion. Breiland followed them and watched as they walked onto a muddy, excavated field and then vanished before his eyes. He ran to the spot where they disappeared and saw they had left no footprints.

According to Edwards, Breiland was “thoroughly frightened” at this point and ran to the bus stop so he could get home quickly. He told Edwards he was certain that he had caught the 4 p.m. bus, which should have gotten him home in about 15 minutes, but found himself walking in the door a few minutes before 5 p.m. Edwards speculates that he may have caught the 4:40 p.m. bus, but notes that Breiland told him that that bus would have been much more crowded.

Edwards describes a dream Breiland had that night. In the dream, when he got across the field, the men were waiting for him. They grabbed his wrists and disappeared, whereupon he suddenly found himself in a circular white room. It was lit, but he could not see any source. The men strapped him to a chair, repeated their questions, and he, again, refused to answer causing one of the men to exclaim, “You’ll be sorry.”

They asked Breiland if he’d told anyone about his experience, and he said he hadn’t. They told him they had been watching him and said he was lying. They said “Forget it. Destroy it.” On following nights, he dreamt of the interrogation in the vestibule.

Breiland noticed an approximately half centimeter round welt on the inside of his right thigh and Edwards asked him to let him know if there was any change in it. He also asked him to report any kind of unusual event experienced by him and his family.

According to Edwards, N.B. also reported an encounter with two strange men. He told Breiland that at around noon on October 5, 3-4 hours before Breiland’s encounter, two very pale, slender men with white hair who were dressed just like the others, came to the gas station where he worked and asked for petrol for their car, which was nowhere to be seen. N.B. asked what kind of car they had and whether they needed leaded or unleaded gas, and one of the men said, “I don’t know.” He got a can and filled it with unleaded and asked for their names so they could sign for the can. The same man said he couldn’t give him their names and the other remained silent.

N.B. asked how long they would be with the can and the man said 15 minutes. He told them they owed him $2.65 and they gave him a $10 bill. When he gave them their change, which included bills and coins, he noticed that they had no fingernails and they looked at the coins as if they had never seen such things. They then turned “mechanically” and walked away to a side street where they turned.

They came back 15 minutes later, put down the can, which was still full, and asked (we assume it was the one who was doing all the talking before) “Where do you live in this fine city?” N.B. answered “At Gordon Head,” and they stared at him and then turned around and walked off. N.B. noted that they didn’t bend their knees when they walked. As for the activity in the area during the encounter, N.B. didn’t say anything about it being unusual.

Edwards says he called Breiland on October 20th to ask him if he’d had any strange phone calls or noticed any strange people looking at him on the streets. Breiland said he’d gotten a few “blank” calls as well as “crank” calls the last two days. Edwards tells the reader that he had gotten three “blank” calls and one where he heard “a faraway-sounding croaking voice.”

In a postscript, Edwards quotes a sentence in the 1976 book by Carlos Castaneda, Tales of Power. On page 180, Don Juan says they will be going to a place where something supernatural had previously occurred in their presence. Castaneda asks, “Aren’t we risking being seen by people?” and Don Juan replies, “No. The nagual will keep everything suspended.” Edwards asks “Could this be connected with the apparent absence of any sign of movement or life during a UFO sighting or an MIB visit?”