To know what other humans want, we can ask them. But pets aside, modern societies lost the confidence and interest in communicating with nonhumans. Could advanced machine learning allow for an interspecies conversation, even with creatures that spend most of their time away in the deep?

In the fifth episode of the podcast Ocean Wants, speculative writer Ingo Niermann, most recently of the book Mare Amoris, is talking to David Gruber, marine biologist and leader of CETI, a multidisciplinary project on understanding the acoustic communication of sperm whales. He speaks from his home in New York.

— Ocean Wants, Institut Art Gender Nature dertank.ch and TBA21–Academy, ocean-archive.org