This week, we got to chat with Jeff Ginn and Bryce Levin with Slalom Build. (Disclaimer: Bob works at Slalom, but in a completely different division.)

We chatted about a day in the life as a developer, having empathy as a leader, building a team, and—most importantly—they are hiring. Check out the Detroit openings.

Then got into some fun stuff: Jeff built a very cool virtual smart home and dabbles in 3D printing, and Bryce is continuing a 30-year NCAA basketball tradition by building a custom app just for his friend group.

These guys were a great chat and we hope you enjoy listening.