Gene and Randall welcome UFO researcher Richard Hoffman for a return visit. As of this interview, Rich has been following the topic for well over 50 decades. He is a member of NARCAP, the Planetary Society, and works among a group of academics and scientists with the Scientific Coalition for UAP Studies (SCU). In his working life, he is an Enterprise Architect working at Redstone Arsenal and the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama. One of Rich’s projects is the investigation of mysterious balls of lights that appear in Alabama. In this interview, we talk to Rich about this light phenomenon, its history, and Rich’s ongoing investigation into UFOs. He also talks about the Pentagon's UFO task force, and what the government might know about the phenomenon.