On this episode of This Week in Teams, Jay and I talked with Oluwatosin Anishere (Tosi), a technical consultant for Wragby Business Solutions. Technologies in Nigeria. Tosi is an accomplished Microsoft Certified Trainer and Consultant with ten years of experience specializing in Microsoft Azure and Microsoft 365 Technologies. Her expertise is in administrating Microsoft 365 and architecting Microsoft based Identity, Security and Governance solutions.

Over the years, She onboarded over a thousand Engineers in Nigeria, UK and the US that support Enterprise Customers for Microsoft Globally. As a consultant, she leads projects, deliver end-to-end infrastructure management solutions in a cloud environment. She has also been a Mentor at TechStylers and enjoys working with the tech community to help other women aspiring women develop their careers and we explore Tosi's background, her volunteer work, and her thoughts on Teams in this episode.

Tosi also loves movies and has an interesting take on SharePoint and Teams towards the end of the interview where she tells us that they are like Marvel characters, Captain America and Captain Marvel, they both have superpowers, but use them in a different way to help people.

To learn more from Tosi Anishere, you can find her on LinkedIn.

Complete transcript below:

Jay Leask 0:26
All right. Good morning or good afternoon. today are the recording day of this is April 22. It's probably not going to be April 22 when you're listening to this, but my name is Jay leask. I have with me as usual, Craig Jahnke. And our very special guests from Nigeria. Oluwatosin Anishere, Tosi, welcome to the this week in teams.

Tosi 0:51
Thank you. Thank you. Hello, Craig. Hello. Thank you for having me here.

Jay Leask 0:58
Of course, it's our pleasure. So

Craig Jahnke 1:00
when we're playing for this, it was we're always excited to talk to new people, like you especially. Yeah, same here.

Jay Leask 1:11
So, um, Tosi, thank you for joining us. We're very excited to talk about teams and your interaction with the industry in Nigeria. So can you tell us a little bit about yourself? And what brings you to talking with us, I guess.

Tosi 1:31
All right. Once again, my name is oluwatosin. ensure a technical consultant for Wragby Business Solutions. Technology limited here in Nigeria. I specialize in Microsoft Azure, and Microsoft 365, also a Microsoft certified trainer, I have actually embedded engineers in Nigeria, in the US and UK, that are supporting enterprise customers. for Microsoft globally. I enjoy meeting new people, just like you're a Greg. I love traveling. I love reading. And I love watching movie. I'm actually a member of a book club, where we review book every month, as well as Movie Club, where we review movies every week. So so every Yeah, every month, sometimes the making weekly, sometimes the making monthly depending on, you know, the agenda for the month. But also Kelly we review our monthly. I like not to speak I like to talk. I enjoy any platform that gives me opportunity to talk about know my technical experience. I also mentor of for aspiring women in tech, I'm a volunteer for TechStylers.

Jay Leask 2:59
That nice. That's awesome.

Craig Jahnke 3:03
Yes, that is that is really cool. Now I have a lot more questions that are even not even technical. But we'll get we'll get that we appreciate, again, having you on. Jake kind of skipped over this. But we've talked in previous episodes that we like to talk tech, obviously teams, Microsoft 365, we also enjoy talking to people from around the world and a few. But a month or so or two ago now, we started talking to some people who were very well known in the community in Europe. And now we've made it to Africa. And we've talked to a couple people from Africa that you you know. And that's how we got hooked up with you. So we're really excited to meet you and learn more about you. I guess my first question would be how did you get started in tech because I always like to know how people get into the business like ice started child welfare, and that was nice, but it didn't pay my bills. And then SharePoint just kind of I got volunteered into it when I was at a job and that's kind of how I made myself into the Microsoft stack. So I always love to hear the stories about how we got into tech.

Tosi 4:15
Okay, first I have I studied computer science, even though that was not what I want to study actually why I study medicine and be a neurosurgeon. And for how reason I wanted to study that I brought in America precisely. You know, and I I tried I wrote the certain tofu the exams there. And yes, I got an admission to Baylor's. Unfortunately, I could not afford the tuition fee. So I remember my mom telling me that and you know what, just a worker in Nigeria. And you know, do your cause rather than traveling abroad was top one and I kept trying open I would get scholarships because I told myself Mattson abroad, anything in Nigeria. Thank God for know the kind of parent I have. So I think it was about three years, when a friend came over, my mom was asking, you know, what level are you in now? So it's different the way we calculate the level here in Nigeria, were usually like, no, year one, year two, depending on the number of cars on like your side where you have the senior years, no, freshers are no longer. So here, I think my friend said he was in year three, which means he has one more year left of school. And I'm still on bang on. I want to study medicine. Because at that time, my mom looked at me again and said, Do you still want to study? You want us to have you in St. Louis and Nigeria and America fine. So she saw what goes on. I was I wasn't happy. I said anything. And she looked at me, I said anything I say yes, anything because I told myself, even if it's going to be education, anything. Thank God, she was learned and knowledgeable. So she went on to enroll me for computer science. And I don't think I've regretted it today. So for my part, I think I started out with a bank. When I was in the application development unit, I write setia. I don't code anymore. I used to do that.

Craig Jahnke 6:31
Were in that boat.

Tosi 6:34
After which I moved to a telecom company here in Nigeria, and I did a little bit of customer service and online customer servicing, before they discovered my graphics skills. I'm very good with graphics, I use CorelDRAW. And you know, the other search Photoshop, in design and Oh, so I quickly I started doing graphics for this telecommunication company more, after which I moved to a business process outsourcing company is also no High Tea Company. So what they do is this support this telecom service, their cause contact center. So as a network engineer, while I was with them, manage the network, and Funny enough, I do configure routers or switches, you will be surprised. After which I joined a Microsoft partner company as a technical support engineer, you know, where we pick cases, resolve customers issue, give advisory and hold. And after a while I became a trainer. And fast forward. I'm not a technical cassata but somehow I haven't dropped the training. And I still train.

Jay Leask 7:50
It's you know, training is one of those things that that if you enjoy doing it, you will always do it. Right. Like it's it's something that lets you get out and think differently and talk differently. I think that's what I love about these podcasts is while I'm in sales, I'm usually talking about the technology that I sell. And these podcasts, let me just meet anybody and talk about anything no pressure on selling, like you're not buying my software. That's okay. We can do that later. But But no, I, I agree with you, like training is one of those things, I'll always go back to training and doing you know, the the presentations at like, the international conferences and stuff because it's, it lets me get that that part of me out, right. I agree.

Craig Jahnke 8:40
And as a parent, I can tell you, I'm already trying to steer my kids that this kind of by like your parents, it's like, well, if you really want to go to this college, you're gonna need you're gonna need a scholarship. Otherwise, we've got some nice little colleges, right.

Jay Leask 8:58
I remember a conversation with my parents, I wanted to go to the University of Michigan and they looked at my, my schooling, and I was very much a C student. So I don't I don't know what this grades are like in Nigeria. But here in public schools, it was A, B, C, D, and F. And I was a C student very solidly. And they're like, if you want to go to that school, you need to get those grades up. I'm like, nevermind. I'll go to a local. Well, yeah, I mean, don't get me wrong. I I love my job, but I work hard at my job. But But school was not my thing, like, sit in a classroom for eight hours a day. Meanwhile, I love teaching. But this isn't about me. So no. So Tosi. You mentioned that you volunteer with an organization with related to women in technology, and I think you mentioned it was called TechStylers. Can you tell us a little bit about TechStylers? And your experience there?

Tosi 10:03
Yes. Alright. TechStylers as is actually an organization, NGO, non profit organization. And the focus here is targeted to was as for women, specifically, you know, bringing more women into the tech space to its target audience are usually the young ones, the eye school, or those who do not have no technical background, or even the antithesis. So we mentor them do trainings to bring them into any of this cloud, or technologies. So for me, I major in the Azure space, know where I mentor in the Azure space, we have that of emphasis five, we have four power hub platforms for UI, you know, and so on like that. Well, I major, specifically on Azure. And it's interesting, you meet people in school? No, no, you move in able to give them the platform to think ahead. So it doesn't have to, it's not necessarily when they finished, they start to think of what do they want? Or which parts should they take? Now they've been exposed that at this stage, I didn't get the opportunity my time. I wish I did. So now we're giving back and it's an advantage to them. So this is what tech stylists do.

Jay Leask 11:32
Awesome. Yeah, that's awesome.

Craig Jahnke 11:34
Yeah. Yeah, I can I get where you're coming from, though. Like you didn't have when you got into it. Like when I got into it was like I got in. And that's it. Now, what do I do? Right? And it seems like that outside of the technical stuff is the the the advice I try to give it to younger people who asked me about it is, what do you like doing. And here's the opportunities that you can do, if you like that. I was trying, I have a couple of nephews who are in their 20s. And I was trying to help them a couple years ago, trying to pick something and I was so it is a pretty good industry to get into. And they're like, well, we don't like math. And I'm like, it's not just math. Like, there's jobs in it. If you don't want to do math, you can pretty much not do math. Like there's there's the business analytics part there's, you know, just kind of business processes and all those kinds of things. And do you like working with people? Do you like working with infrastructure, all of that? So? Yes,

Tosi 12:33
I think I have someone that told me to say I'm not, you know, so technical. And I said, this spirit, I don't think I want to learn, I really don't know why a conclusion is that way. But she says she's interested in this new technical space, but she doesn't want to do the core technical things. And I told her Yes, you know, you can still be in this path. You can be a recruiter in the in the technical space, there's like, no, the soft part of the technical aspects, you don't have to do no configuration and implementation, the scares are. But basically I realize that is not about this case, you just want to be in the tech space, and do other things that are non technical. In the tech space, which I said it's very possible. She's on the right path. Get this understanding, she can be a salesperson, you know.

She would not be the one to do the implementation and deployment and oh, there'll be engineers for that. But she can speak because she has the full knowledge of this product, depending on the particular path she story. What is agile? MTB, six, five, even the devices sufficient? No, just so these devices are no, yes. So

Jay Leask 13:59
I mean, even if you just look at Microsoft as the model for the different roles in the space, you've got salespeople, you've got account technology strategists, you've got Customer Success managers. And you've got all these roles that some of them are very technical, some of them are very hands on and some of them, you simply need to understand the terminology. And then you can facilitate all of these other roles together. So I love that you're helping encouraging people to not walk away from the space just because they don't want to be the hands on developer for example. Yes, very much. So. Um, yeah, I went to school for computer science and math. I didn't want to do either of them. But

Tosi 14:46
next time is I'll make reference the essay I have someone.

Jay Leask 14:53
But yeah, no, that's great. You got this pad. Now you said your your specialty He is in the Azure side. And this is a team's podcast. So can you talk a little bit about your relationship to Microsoft Teams? As someone who specialties on the Azure side?

Tosi 15:14
Okay, I think I mentioned Azure and Microsoft dissatisfy. Yes. When I was in tradition, so yes, this team's comes into play. for Microsoft cases, five, you know, Team's is actually part of the Microsoft family, if I can burn that word. Okay, so that's where I have a relationship with teams. Now, I think I can even tell you my experience with Tim's you know, before now, he wasn't teams, it was actually Skype for Business. And I remember back then, I didn't like, I didn't like this, I don't want to use things, you know, and my technical advisor, then, whenever comes in, I like to say, I need you to be on things. Because of the interpretability that's covered that is governed by the coexistence, you know, we could always use the change and Skype for Business. It was the period when Microsoft actually announced that they will be replacing Skype for Business with this Unified Communication solution. So I knew about the chain, but was not ready to accept these changes. You know, very sector, I was just comfortable with my Skype for Business. on that very day. A technical adviser insisted saying you need to be on team. And I think I remember the experience. Yeah, I was reluctant at first. I didn't have a choice. But I remember the chat capabilities, especially with the automations. Yeah, I find that interesting, because I like, Oh, this is cool. I could use the automation. And the fact that I could, you know, put messages, I'm sorry, images in language chat. It was also the corporate channel. Okay, fine. I think Sims is not bad, after all. No, just probably gone with it. Not just that even the collaborative feature was superb. So that's no one time experience alone. just changed my idea. And I was able to embrace it. Until now. I don't think I regret it's, it's really nice. I'm a fan. When it comes to Microsoft Teams.

Craig Jahnke 17:30
Yes. So I'm gonna be honest with you, I was in the same boat, right? I was fine with Skype work for me, email, me. And then my boss started making me use teams. I'm like, all right. And now. I think one of the biggest features that I like that compares with teams in Skype is if I share a document, so we're working together and I want to share a document with it, I can still own that document in my OneDrive, and have you edit it, whereas in Skype, if I wanted to send it to you, I was basically sending you an attachment. And then it was, it was hard to do that. So I mean, then you got the you know, then you got to do version control. And somebody named it with his letters and intellisafe What's her name initials at the end? And I got? Um, so let me ask you, what are your favorite features for teams? You named a couple of them, but what do you really think that you like that? Maybe some other people don't know about or, or use as much as they should?

Tosi 18:27
Okay, for teams, I think I just love everything about him. You know, they have great features. They have great features. Think recently, I was discouraged. I, we could use this spotlight feature you could transcribe while we are talking just like when a meeting now, you know, we have the life events that know you could have a good audience of more than 300, which is meeting with accept triage. So up to 10,000. We have the teams for Azure. No, which is great, which allows students to submit assignment, the teachers could grade No, it was very nice feature. Then we have the phone system to the phone system that makes when Microsoft gives you a phone number you use it we call him plan. That's absolutely great. So it was something you know, I find really interesting. No, we change. There's so many great features that I don't think I can categorically said just this, I think is just everything, not just I don't have one specifically. It's everything. Teams room life event, the collaboration feature, the details for edu. Well, I haven't really used it like okay, for except when I'm training down, we have to demo it. The lab and I see that yes, it has very beautiful shows where you can have quizzes and incorporate Microsoft forms. So it was great. And I love that like that feature. I'm like, yeah, this is a nice, then no all the other special features, when you're having a meeting where you could raise your hand, you could do a thumbs up, you could break out into rooms. That's really great. So, for me, as a trainer, when you're kind of doing some discussion, you could break out those students or learners into rooms, and they have the discussion, or you can visit each of these rooms to check on No, people like, okay, how's it going on here, you have 10 minutes more is going on there. And at the end of the day, we close out the rooms and come back together, you know, to celebrate, it's really interesting. So I also love that feature. So in a way, I can't categorically tell you this one, because I love so many things about teams.

Craig Jahnke 20:58
So what I noticed on the roadmap, about the meeting rooms, which I think is going to be an improvement, because you just said you like the breakout rooms, and this is public knowledge. So it's not anything that I worked with. That's that's out there. But if you haven't seen it, it's going to automatically you can set a timer on the team's room that will automatically kick you back, so that you don't have to be monitored. So I can say, let's do a breakout for 15 minutes. And after 15 minutes is up, it kicks them back, which I think is pretty awesome. Right?

Jay Leask 21:29
Yeah, yeah, we just did. We just did training. And in our training environment, I'm not gonna say which platform it was on, because unfortunately, it wasn't on teams. But that capability to bring us all back at the right time. Was was really strong, because you you could get lost in your breakout room and just forget, yes, 20 minutes later be like, oh, crud going again,

Craig Jahnke 21:53
salespeople getting stuck in a meeting together? Talking. I can't see that never happened.

Jay Leask 22:02
Tosi in your experience, how has teams? How has teams been accepted as a technology in Nigeria?

Tosi 22:14
Oh, okay. Should I say thanks a lot, thanks to the pandemic, which is COVID-19. You know, it's widely embraced here. At force, it used to be if I can mention name, zoo. And before we know it, it's been was the code our teams. And this is because when you subscribe to the Microsoft 365, you have this same structure embedded. So organization, we just think we have them separately enough series, Mt. Six, five, you know, somehow, they just leverage on the use of teams. And that way, it's been widely spread the four that in this part, it works for, you know, the work from home, which I say that Microsoft is also doing a job with regards to the management, and you can easily use it for the frontline workers. And so, so many great features, the collaborative features specifically where you could have channels and people can work on document. So you know, there's something about teams that it makes the organization bigger, and the world smaller candle, so it's just about the people remain the same. But the organization is bigger, because you're able to know collaborate in just a small please. And it hope categorically that I think that's why James is very referred to as a collaborative, or rather, so yes, it's been widely embraced. Yeah. And I don't see dying anytime soon. This is something that would spread across, you know, so many organizations, it at the speed of light, because now it is, but people are adopting cloud. Everybody's drained the digital transformation, trying to migrate the application into the cloud, or even, I've know some kind of hybrid environment and also somehow, there's this Ember, there's acceptors. And people get to use teams. Know, you could have teams mobile, well, you're on the road, and you can still talk, I think I do that when I'm going to work. Because sometimes I go to work, and sometimes I work from home, that period when I'm going to work a mechanism, I have it on mobile and knows what gets going. It doesn't have to pause because of my location or because I'm interested. And also it's really cool. Yes, people are embracing this. This part where I have Nigeria specific and I think I can speak for

Craig Jahnke 24:59
for money. The United States, it's the same way the pandemic kind of forced, or helped guide people to make the decision to use teams. So no, it's great to hear that it's being used in use widely and widely embraced. And then do you love it so much? But from your like consulting mindset, I guess if you could put that ad on, how do you think companies in Nigeria could take better? better use of teams? Or what can they improve their use on?

Tosi 25:29
Oh, okay. I think I would speak categorically of the telephony features. For teams, that's the business voice solution. So which means organization can leverage on this calling plan to provide a solution that could get numbers and they could use, which means, besides the call chat, and meeting, you could have no a phone system that is actually integrated with it. So that's one aspect. But one thing I observed as a consultant is Microsoft do not have a column plan for all regions and country. So for instance, in Nigeria, that is not available for us here. So which means we cannot even leverage to use this column plans, because it's not available for my region or for my country. But the likes of audio conferencing. Yes, we could do that where we have another per minute, pay the likes of think, yeah, so the other conference in is one, the toll free is another. So besides, we have in the column plan. Now, what Microsoft did, again, is beside the column plan, I think there's like an alternate option for you to have direct routing on things. But for organization here is certainly those that have the infrastructure, the on premises infrastructure, you know, this traditional decks on hold, but if they don't have done, why would I want to set up one and integrate on teams. So that is a kind of limitation as to why people might not be using, you know, so much of enjoying the full system aspect. So what they basically do is no issue devices, to mobile devices to all their users, integrated using in tune such that they can manage these devices, rather than which I think if Microsoft can know, as we call them, plan, organization would not, you know, have a different cost purchasing extra in the mobile rules for users? Because I know yes, we could, which seems, you know, bring your own device, I can't use my phone, not necessarily organization getting me phone, so that we can leverage on this phone system. So the column plan is a limitation. And that's why I see that it's not being utilized very well. Besides that the rest with regards to call charts, meeting evil life events for brokers. Oh, yes, it's been utilized Sims for edger grids is being utilized. Here.

Jay Leask 28:23
Do you guys use I didn't we didn't talk about this ahead of time. So I apologize if this goes off the rails a little too much. But do you guys have Yammer in Nigeria also?

Tosi 28:32
Okay, yes, we do know we have EMR we have once you purchase or once you subscribe to them to get this five you have all of this hub. But with regards to audience of Yama, I must say is not as No, not as widely embraced. As teams. I think I say the fact that Yama is great when is incorporated with life events. That's when you tend to see people using it. But I can tell you for one that the rather go to streams rather than Yama. Yama is great, because I remember when I was training, some very cool guys in the US. I think we categorically used Yama. And it was interesting. He was just like we have in the social network platform, the likes of Facebook, and also it was cool. I liked it. And I'm lucky if maybe it's because of that our side of the world the US they use it often. And that's why they want me to use it with them by here. So you barely see if anyone wants to communicate rather go to SharePoint, probably a SharePoint site that was created for newsletter or the US creative article. Then you could see people go and put comments, chat and hope. But no, I don't think that Yama is widely used for teams that are spot on.

Jay Leask 30:00
That's interesting. Yeah, there's always a week, we often talk to our customers about Yammer versus teams and when you might use one over the other. Of course, Yammer was around before teams. So Yammer had more adoption from because there was no competition in the other systems with Yammer and Skype for Business or something like that. But with teams, it's very much a well, why would I use Yammer? Why would I create a team or use a channel. And so it is, it's interesting to kind of hear how the technology is, is adopted and utilized around the globe, to see if if those are similar, similar things, we tend to use Yammer for. More all company conversations are in fact, our security team just sent an email last week saying they're no longer going to use email, but they're going to use this Yammer community to push all their announcements out. And our product teams use Yammer so that anyone in the globe, whether they're in China, or Africa, or the US, can go communicate with the product team and ask their questions. And there's no you know, because they're open within the organization, there isn't a concern about trying to do a private conversation or anything. And so that's where we would see more use of Yammer, there

Craig Jahnke 31:24
I am, I found Yammer to be a hit and miss type thing. Either organizations love it, or it's just there. You'll find some people who like it, and will use it. But yeah, I've been in a couple of organizations prior to Microsoft, where I tried to use it. And I think I was with five people. And I was like, okay, we won't do that. And now I if I think about it, when I have a question that I need to ask that nobody in my team can answer, then I'll go off the cameras, but it's actually used pretty widely here. And the fact that now there's a Yammer app that can be added to teams makes it a little bit easier for me to use too. So.

Jay Leask 32:06
Yes. So you've mentioned SharePoint a couple times to do you find teams as the you know, the air quotes hub for collaboration, do you find teams enhances SharePoint? Do you find it affects SharePoint to use at all? What are your thoughts on that?

Tosi 32:23
No. Okay. Let me illustrate it this way. I'm sure we have a lot of surprises, right? Whether is this is a virus or is Marvel superheroes, somehow we just love them. So let's take a moment to talk about probably a Marvel character, Captain America and Captain Marvel, you know, they both have similar superpowers, but in a different way. So these two characters, they are great. Now when me relating the superheroes to things is like, what's SharePoint and teams, they're part of Microsoft, and this is my family, just like Captain America and Captain Marvel. They are part of the Marvel Family. Now, again, these two are similar, but they have their own unique functionality and values. Now, why do I say similar? The SharePoint and same abode collaborative feature? The only thing is that teams has like a broader scope of collaboration done SharePoint. Now, SharePoint has been around for years, I can remember maybe more than 18 years or thereabout, but it's been available for years, just like no Captain America, characters been available before Captain Marvel. Now, SharePoint is mainly a repository for the collaboration or content sharing within an organization and basically, for documents storage now, well, SharePoint is great with this collaboration, it's unfortunate lacks the communication aspects. And I think that's where Microsoft sense comes in. No, just like Captain America, it has when it comes to physical combat is great, but he can't fly. And that's what Captain Marvel has. She has that ability to fly. Last year, things lived everywhere. I wish I was like her, you know, she's just intergalactic superhero. So in essence, what I'm driving at is the fact the Microsoft Teams is a unified communication, collaboration platform with Microsoft Teams, teams, it has bigger features, it has bigger capabilities, I can actually with my team's channel, I could share documents with users and to create a SharePoint Document Library. So in essence, I could have multiple SharePoint team sites in our utilizing They're about saying my opinion I wouldn't say just in my opinion, I will just say it seems makes your point better. Just like I wouldn't say Captain Marvel makes Captain America better you know when they come together they become an Avenger. So when SharePoint teams come together it's forms that part of the bigger picture. So what is it one is greater than the other in my opinion?

Jay Leask 35:28
That's the best way I have ever heard anybody compare to they're gonna say the same point

Craig Jahnke 35:36
it was going to say the same thing I love that and and I hate to say it but I would not have expected that from from somebody from a foreign because I you know, Captain America The Avengers, it just seems so many American cultures that I have not surprised somebody hasn't done that. I

Tosi 36:02
love watching movies. Right? That's right.

Craig Jahnke 36:05
All right. So so tired analogy.

Jay Leask 36:08
tying to your movies and your now Marvel analogy. Do you guys have Disney plus in Nigeria? Is that available to you? And are you able to watch the the recent Marvel movies like Falcon and Winter Soldier and such?

Tosi 36:22
Yes, it's a series and yes, I'm currently following through although work does not permit me time to sit down and just exhausted at once. But yes, following. And I can see the new Captain America which I don't think I like him.

Craig Jahnke 36:40
I think that's the intention. I don't like him, but the guy that plays an essential job of being

Jay Leask 36:51
on next week, we deep dive into Marvel and its relationship with Microsoft. No, thank you. Tosi. This was a fun conversation. And I really that an unexpected ending, frankly, the the relationship. As I mentioned, the comparison with Marvel, Captain Marvel and Captain America is definitely something I'm going to take back to my normal job as I help people understand, you know, SharePoint and teams and, and maybe Yammer as I don't know, hope, but I don't know. But

Craig Jahnke 37:25
this is this is right here. We're going to acknowledge that we're going to borrow your work we will credit. But it's it's, it's something I'm going to bring into my presentations. Maybe when I did talk to talk to people about it. That that is awesome.

Jay Leask 37:40
So Tosi, thank you for your time today, this afternoon this morning, whatever, whatever time zone, we want to acknowledge and thank you for for sharing all of the insight that you did. I hope that people find it as useful that I know I did.

Craig Jahnke 37:54
Yeah, it was great. Thank you again, we really appreciate it. Thank you. Have a good day.