Ever since COVID-19 began (August 2019) Tom's found it quite hard to get any guests into the studio, but after a year of hardball experimentation, he managed to get the ultimate podcast interview using a new fandangled video phone! Check out this episode with experimental contemporary classical composer Tracy Ore! In this fantastic interview, Tom uncovers Tracy Ore's "Selective Playing" technique and the philosophy behind it, as well as playing several renditions from the Therefore I'm Not series throughout the episode. || View the original Bree McPlonq score for Therefore I'm Not here, and read more about Tracy Ore on the Obscure Music History website ( www.obscuremusichistory.com ) || This is a new version of an older episode. It's better now. Sorry for any confusion (particularly the confusion caused by this sentence).