Bernie is my guest this week, and he is the author of the books 'Before Orion: Finding The Face of the Hero' and 'Biological Time'. We discuss both books, the origins of why he wrote them, and their content. We dig deeper into his Before Orion book, based upon exploring the hero’s journey of self-awareness, mythology and record of biological knowledge through Paleolithic cave art as well as where he became interested in the subject and how it became his life's work.