Nancy Au is an author and a writing teacher based in the Bay Area. Her full-length book of fiction Spider Love Song and Other Stories was published in September of 2019, and it’s longlisted for the 2020 PEN America Literary Awards/Robert W. Bingham Prize for Debut Short Story Collection.

Nancy and I both have tattoos honoring our parents.

Nancy and I got together to talk about our shared experience living with dead parents. One of Nancy’s most formative And The Next Thing You Know stories is that her father and mother died within 5 years of each other, marking the beginning and the end of her college years. Nancy is so engaging and delightful to talk to, and this was such a sweet, tender conversation we had. 

We also hear Nancy read from her story “How To Become Your Own Odyssey, or The Land of Indigestion,” and we talk about how our intimate losses contribute to the art we make. In our conversation, I tell her about the association I make with one of the scenes in this story, so you’ll hear my reverie about the baby photo of me below!

Baby Suzie.

Major themes:

Being friends with grandparents; the death of parents; experiencing death at a young age; grief; feeling preternaturally old; fantasies about what relationships might have been like; career paths and family obligation; our mother’s new relationships after our fathers died; sharing memories with loved ones and family friends; how grief shapes you; Mahjong; Chinese American experience in San Francisco and the Central Valley of California; Nancy’s work as a writer; fiction; making art.

References:

We just briefly mention that Nancy’s grandmother survived both the Japanese occupation of China (1937-1945) and Mao’s Cultural Revolution. She was a teenager during the occupation, and fled China in the 1950s when she was in her 30s.

Nancy Au’s book is Spider Love Song And Other Stories, available at Acre Books. Nancy’s website ishttps://www.peascarrots.com/

MASH, Dynasty, and Murder She Wrote were all referenced.

Nancy mentioned Leslie Jamison’s The Empathy Exams, with respects to trauma, and holding our stories in vs. sharing them, and perhaps, therefore, feeling that our trauma doesn’t belong to us in some way. 

The Farewell (2019) directed by Lulu Wanghttps://a24films.com/films/the-farewell

A huge thank you to all my Patrons, and a special shout out to my Serendipity Level Patrons, Brittany and Emily!! Thanks to all of you for making this podcast better.
Our official HQ is at:https://nextthingpodcast.com
Join the discussion at:https://www.facebook.com/nextthingpod/
Support the show by becoming a patron!https://patreon.com/nextthingpod
Email us, or send us your own And The Next Thing You Know story by recording a voice memo on your phone and emailing it to:nextthingpod@gmail.com
Find me at soozenextthing on twitter and instagram.
Banana peel by Max Ronnersjö.
Theme and interstitial music by