Drug addiction is fundamentally a public health issue, says Michael Botticelli, acting director of National Drug Control Policy, in this New Thinking podcast. Botticelli explains

why law enforcement must work in tandem with public health to address addiction and how his own personal experience

with addiction informs his work.

In keynote remarks at Community Justice 2014, Michael Botticelli discusses the

importance of public health strategies in addressing drug addiction.

(April 2014)

MICHAEL BOTTICELLI: You know I say I’m not unique in the sense that I’m one of 23 million Americans who

are in recovery. What makes it unique is I get to sit at the White House and kind of do this work.

ROBERT

V. WOLF: Hi, this is Rob Wolf, director of communications at the Center for Court Innovation. I am in San Francisco

at the Community Justice 2014 and I have the pleasure of sitting down right now with Michael Botticelli, who is the

acting director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy. Thank you so much for taking the time

to speak with me.

BOTTICELLI: It’s great to be here, Rob.

WOLF: I wanted

to ask you a few questions about your role as what is sometimes referred to, and has been over the years, as drug

czar. And I thought a great way to segue into this conversation is really to ask you if that term really captures

your work, and what you think about it. Perhaps there’s been an evolution in thinking about the role of the

office.

BOTTICELLI: I actually really hate the term drug czar, only because I think it, you know,

the term czar actually means something that kind of coordinates things, which is really what we do, but I think it’s

been associated with previous administration’s policy about the war on drugs, which is clearly not what this

administration is all about, so I don’t like the term because I think it raises, for people, this kind of very

law enforcement-centric, arrest people for addiction. So I really, I don’t like the term drug czar. You know,

and the other piece for me is I have a very atypical background in terms of someone who’s leading our agency.

So, I don’t come from a law enforcement background, I come from a public health background, I’m in recovery

myself. Maybe some of it is I don’t associate myself with the drug czar, so that’s probably why I don’t

like the term.

WOLF: You’re talking about your public health background and I wonder if you

think people see illegal drugs as an either/or situation, as either a law enforcement problem or if they’re

coming from your perspective, as a public health problems, and it just depends on the orientation that a police chief

might think of it as a law enforcement problem and a treatment provider thinks of it as public health.

BOTTICELLI: I actually think things are dramatically changing in terms of that kind of focus, and you know,

part of my job I get to talk to a tremendous amount of local law enforcement officers who will say, you can’t

arrest our way out of the problem, and understanding that this is a public health issue. So I just participated in

a conference in Washington with over 200 local law enforcement across the country, and it’s really interesting

for me to hear things like, we can’t arrest our way out of the problem, that we have to partner with public

health in terms of the work that we do. And quite honestly, I think that that’s the function of our office,

in terms of how do we continue to bridge—you know, law enforcement does play a crucial role in terms of the public

safety consequences, and making sure we have safe communities, and trying to minimize the impact that drugs have

on our community. But I think there’s a growing understanding that this is fundamentally a public health related

issue. And so part of our job, at our office, is how do we continue to bridge that gap between public health and

law enforcement, in terms of the strategies. I think a lot of the work that we’ve done on overdose prevention,

I think has moved that conversation dramatically and we’ve seen the dramatic uptake of the use of naloxone,

which was a highly effective, highly safe overdose prevention medication by local law enforcement. And I think that’s

dramatically changed the conversation. So, so I don’t—I think people are understanding that we actually do need

this balanced approach between law enforcement and public safety, and that we can’t just you know, I always

say we can’t incarcerate addiction out of people. And so, you know, I think they understand that we have to

have primarily a public health response, but in partnership with law enforcement.

WOLF: Since

the conference here is a community justice conference, I wonder if you think that problem solving courts like drug

courts or re-entry courts, community courts, can play a role in addressing the problematic use of drugs, and can

they also contribute to reframing the debate about getting law enforcement and public health advocates working more

collaboratively?

BOTTICELLI: So problem-solving courts looking at any opportunity to divert people

away from the criminal justice system has been part of our strategy since the beginning of the administration. And

I would absolutely agree with you that I think these problem-solving courts and drug courts have really shown the

way in terms of well wait a second here, we can have a different kind of approach here, other than just incarcerating

folks. I think we’ve seen the explosion of, particularly, drug courts, not only in the United States but internationally.

And so I think that we have about 2,700 drug courts here in the United States. They are in 22 countries. So I think

there’s a growing understanding that if you partner the criminal justice folks with the public health folks,

that we really can have effective strategies here. I think you know that many, many states across political stripes

have really been engaged in wholesale justice reinvestment. I think they’ve understood that incarceration is

both costly and ineffective in terms of dealing with people with substance use disorders. So, and I think clearly,

you know, you’ve seen the work and the changes that have come out of the attorney general’s office around,

and with, the president, in terms of fairer sentencing laws and really looking at how do we make sure that we’re

not incarcerating folks who really need to be dealt with, in terms of treatment related issues.

WOLF:

And how do you see getting police prosecutors, probation departments, and particularly law enforcement, so police,

to pursue public safety buy also incorporating these lessons of public health, prevention, and treatment, concretely,

rather than just saying—well it’s a public health problem, so let’s bring in some public health advocates—let

them do it. Can law enforcement actively also engage in public health?

BOTTICELLI: I absolutely

think so, and I think that’s a lot of the work that we’ve been doing. And you know, so first and foremost,

we want to make sure that law enforcement, like other people, understand what addiction is, and understand what it

means and how it affects judgment, and how it affects people’s ability to make decisions. And you know, there’s

been models in other areas, particularly in terms of mental health, of how, on the street, can you really not turn

this into an arrest. you know, again, I think I’ve heard from many, many law enforcement folks who’ve seen—and

I think particularly with the prescription drug issue—have seen that they’re arresting the same people over

and over again, and how ineffective that is to be able to do that. And I also, again, think that the overdose situation

has changed dramatically. I think that many of these law enforcement are seeing kids from their own community who

are overdosing, and understanding that we need to have another response to this. So I think it’s been helpful,

and I’m not saying that there are not pockets of resistance or pockets of change, but I do think that there’s

a building momentum around not just a direct kind of local law enforcement response, but a larger criminal justice

response to people with addictive disorders.

WOLF: Let me ask you, and you referred to it yourself

in the beginning of the interview, and your official bio notes that you’re in long term recovery yourself. And

I just wonder how your personal experience informs your work. And do you think recovering addicts can or should play

more active roles in developing drug policies?

BOTTICELLI: So maybe I’ll start with the last first.

You know, obviously being in recovery, I do feel that people who come from affected communities should be part and

parcel of the policy and decision-making. I have a long career in public health and I did a lot of work around HIV

and AIDS, where clearly the consumer voice, you know, needed to be at the table. And there used to be an expression—nothing

about us without us. And I carry that with me in terms of our work that we do on both the national and local levels.

You know, I say I’m not unique in the sense that I’m one of 23 million Americans who are in recovery. What makes

it unique is I get to sit at the White House and kind of do this work. So that’s the really cool piece about

it. But what it says to me is that people who are affected by this disorder really have a unique experience and really

have a unique voice that needs to be heard at every level. And by virtue of the fact that I am in recovery, and am

in this job, I think shows the administration’s commitment to really making sure that folks have a voice at

the table. And it does inform the work that I do in terms of understanding. I think of my own experience and what

were the missed opportunities along the way in terms of identifying this issue with me early on. So it makes us think

about things like screening a brief intervention, of how do we intervene, particularly for folks who we know are

at risk of developing a more significant problem. You know I actually kind of got into treatment because of my own

involvement with the law. I was arrested for drunk driving, I was in a drunk driving car accident, and actually had

the opportunity of being somewhat of a forced opportunity to say, treatment or we can continue down the criminal

justice path. So, you know, part of it for me—and that’s why the significance of being at conferences like this

is to say, you know, 27 years ago I was in handcuffs. And for me, now, to be sitting as the acting Director of the

Office of National Drug Control Policy is, I think, particularly indicative of how we can take those opportunities,

one not let people get involved with the criminal justice system in the first place and second, how do we really

look at those intersections with the criminal justice system? And make sure that people are getting adequate care

and treatment. You know, again, you know we can’t arrest our way out of the problem. You can’t incarcerate

addiction out of people. And we really need to make sure—and I think, again, that’s the exciting part and in

terms of being here at this conference and looking at the agenda, that there is a growing acknowledgment in terms

of that we can have a more effective and, quite honestly, a much more compassionate response in terms of how we deal

with addiction.

WOLF: Well thank you very much for sharing your thoughts with me and good luck

with your mission.

BOTTICELLI: Thanks. 

WOLF:

I’ve been speaking with Michael Botticelli, who’s the acting director of the Office of National Drug Control

Policy, and he is about to take the stage shortly at Community Justice 2014 here in sf. I’m Rob Wolf, Director

of Communications at the Center for Court Innovation. To listen to more podcasts like this you can visit our website

at www.courtinnovation.org. Thanks for listening.