Phil and Joel are joined by ESPN's Kirk Goldsberry -- ahead of the release of his first book, Sprawlball (link below) -- for a wide ranging discussion on where the NBA is today, and where it's heading.

Topics include: the evolution of play style, the importance of chemistry and relationship building in a winning organization, how rules can impact the future of how the game is played, how to determine what the NBA league office values, the disruption of Curry & Harden, the Spurs success, and the Celtics struggles. Also covered: the origins of NBA Nerd Night.

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