Messy Jesus Business

Messy Jesus Business

Carmen Acevedo Butcher: Healed by Translation

November 10, 2022

Episode 53 of Messy Jesus Business podcast, with Sister Julia Walsh.

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In this episode of Messy Jesus Business podcast, Sister Julia Walsh talks with author, scholar, and translator of spiritual texts Carmen Acevedo Butcher about the messiness of spirituality, healing and relationship. Together they discuss the wisdom Brother Lawrence and the relevance of his message for today. They also get into the mess of contemplation and the human experience. And, they talk about sacredness of words and the ordinary and how religious devotion ought not to be transactional.


Carmen Acevedo Butcher, Ph.D., is an internationally acclaimed speaker, author, educator, poet, and translator of spiritual texts. Her dynamic work in spirituality and the power of language has garnered interest from various media, including the BBC, Religion News Service, and NPR’s Morning Edition, Georgia Gazette, and Dante’s Old South, among others. From a young age, she immersed in the presence prayer. With degrees in medieval studies and a linguistics background, Carmen brings history to life, making its wisdom accessible and useful to us for healing, growth, peace, and actively loving others. She is the award-winning translator of classics such as Practice of the Presence (Broadleaf) by Brother Lawrence, The Cloud of Unknowing (Shambhala) by Anonymous, and Hildegard of Bingen: A Spiritual Reader and A Little Daily Wisdom with medieval women mystics (Paraclete Press). A Carnegie Foundation Professor of the Year and Fulbright Senior Lecturer, she currently teaches at the University of California, Berkeley, in the College Writing Programs. Learn more about Carmen and her work at

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