This spirited Seth Grossman interview with Atlantic County Exec Denny Levinson begin with this question. WPG Radio. AUG 23, 2025 Seth Grossman: Dennis Levinson is the Republican County Executive of Atlantic County. In a few minutes, we will have him on for a one hour interview. This is going to be very interesting. I have not spoken to Denny, for many, many years in-depth about any of the issues that we'll talk about for the first time live on the air. Denny Levinson and I have a history. We both started out running for Atlantic County Freeholders back in 1988, that's 37 years ago. . Freeholders, that's what we used to call County Commissioners in New Jersey for 400 years. This is until five years ago. That's when Democrat Governor Phil Murphy cancelled the word "Freeholder" in the middle of the COVID Epidemic. The word Freeholder simply means someone who owns real estate. And years ago, only people who owned real estate were able to vote. That was because you weren't allowed to vote back then unless you paid taxes, and the only people who paid taxes back then were people who owned real estate. Back then, the property tax was the only tax you had in New Jersey. But anyway, five years ago, Governor Murphy said that the term "Freeholder" is "racist", so we can't use that term anymore. But, anyway, we ran, and we both successfully got elected as Freeholder back in 1988, and then Denny and I went our separate ways. He became a successful, political figure who has been, the County Executive now for many years in Atlantic County. There's a whole bunch of issues, we can get to or maybe we'll avoid. Who knows what's going to happen? Seth Grossman: Let's start with The Atlantic County Utilities Authority. I can go on and on about how wind turbines don't work. They're a fraud. They're a scam. They don't produce energy when you need it. They cause everybody's rates to go up. But, you know, I could say everything that's wrong with it, and President Trump now is is talking about everything that's wrong with this fake green energy. But yet the Atlantic County Utilities Authority, even though they've had those wind turbines up for, 21 years, they won't admit they don't work. They lie. They say, "Look at all the money that we're saving for our operations". They're not saying we're getting this money for our wind turbines by raising rates for everybody else. They go to our schools and lie to our kids. They lie on their websites that their windmills "can power 20,000 homes". They lie on their website. They lie, lie, lie, lie. And yet they are appointed by a Republican County Executive and Republican Commissioners in a Republican County. Why do you let them lie like that? Dennis Levinson: ,Seth, like a tattoo. At the time, it seemed like a good idea. And you're talking about twenty years ago. And I had the opportunity, and I'm gonna say that I supported them. It is the first onshore, not offshore, first onshore wind farm in the country. We put them up. And to date, we have saved now you can say whether it's saving or not or whatever it may be. But to date, it's saved over $6,000,000 and, in the sanitation plant. Now whether the they're subsidized, whether it's Yeah. Because the electric bills have gone up, we know to date also also that we can only document two dead birds, but they're there. And at the time, like I said, it seemed like a good idea, and it still seems like a good idea. Seth Grossman:   Denny, that's where we disagree. We have the 12th highest electric rates in the country. We give money to people who have these solar panels and the wind turbines by raising the rates on everybody else. But isn't isn't anyone curious to see how much, energy they produce and does the electric company actually need it when its produced? Wouldn't that be a perfect Stockton University laboratory project. Let's see if these wind turbines work. Is the electricity actually used to power the grid,