Today’s guest is Al Shalloway, Director of Thought Leadership for Agile at Scale Programs and Founder and former CEO of Netobjectives.

Al joins us to talk about how he is using thought leadership at the Project Management Institute to help teams and entire businesses learn to become more agile.  We discuss how to scale an idea into a movement, the importance of understanding value stream management, and why leaders need to be in the middle of the pack, not out in front of it.