David Jernigan 0:15
Hello!

Dr. Deb 0:16
Hi there, sorry for all the confusion.

David Jernigan 0:19
Oh, no worries, you gotta love it, right?

Dr. Deb 0:21
Oh, I can’t hear you.

David Jernigan 0:23
No way, let’s see, my mic must be turned off?

Dr. Deb 0:27
Hang on, I think it’s me. Let’s see…
Okay, let’s try now.

David Jernigan 0:40
Okay, can you hear me?

Dr. Deb 0:42
Yep, I can hear you now.

David Jernigan 0:43
Excellent, excellent. And, how are you today?

Dr. Deb 0:48
I am good, thank you. How about yourself?

David Jernigan 0:50
I’m good. Well, it’s good to finally meet you and get this thing rolling.

Dr. Deb 0:56
Yes, yes, I’m so sorry about that.

David Jernigan 0:58
That’s alright, that’s alright.
So…

Dr. Deb 1:01
Yeah, go ahead.

David Jernigan 1:03
So, tell me about yourself before we get going.

Dr. Deb 1:06
Yeah, so I am a nurse practitioner. I’m also a naturopath. I have a practice here in Wisconsin. I’ve been treating Lyme for about 20 years, so I\’m really excited to have this conversation and learn what you\’re doing, because it’s so exciting and new.

David Jernigan 1:21
Well, thank you.

Dr. Deb 1:22
Yeah, so we treat a lot of chronic illness patients, do some anti-aging regenerative things as well, so…

David Jernigan 1:30
Yeah, I went to your website and saw you guys are killing it, looks like.

Dr. Deb 1:35
Yeah.

David Jernigan 1:35
Got a lot of good staff, it looks like.

Dr. Deb 1:37
Yeah, we’ve got great staff, great patients, busy practice. We have 5 practitioners, so we have about 15,000 patients in our practice right now.

David Jernigan 1:46
Well, excellent. Yeah. Excellent. Yeah, yeah.
So, I’m excited for this discussion.

Dr. Deb 1:53
Good, me too. So I pre-recorded our intro, so we can just kind of dive right in, and I’ll just ask you to kind of introduce yourself a little bit, tell us a little bit about yourself, and, and then we can just dive right into it.

David Jernigan 2:08
All right. I’m Dr. David Jernigan, and I own the Biologic Center for Optimum Health in… Franklin, Tennessee, and I’ve been in practice for over 30 years. I shook Willie Bergdurfer’s hand, if anybody knows who that is. It’s kind of infamous now with some of the revelations that have happened about Lyme being a bioweapon and weaponized. But, you know, I’ve been doing this, probably longer than almost anybody that\’s still in the business in the natural realm. It chose me. I did not choose Lyme. Matter of fact, there were many times in my career that I was like. You know, cancer’s easier because of the fact that everybody agrees, you know, what we’re dealing with. And in the 90s, it was a whole different reality, where nobody actually understood that you could have Lyme disease and not be coming from New England.
You know, so I had actually the first documented case of a Lyme disease, CDC positive.
Patient that had never left the state of Kansas before. So they couldn’t say that it wasn’t in Kansas, and so she had actually been, pregnant with… twin boys, and they were born CDC-positive as well, and so it is transmitted across the placenta we know.
So, I, you know, the history of how I did all this was, in the 90s, probably 1996, probably, somewhere in there, 97. With this woman, you know, I… if you go into Robin’s pathology books from back then. Which we all used, medical doctors and everybody else studying. you know, there was basically a paragraph about Lyme disease, and on the national board tests, as you recall, it was probably like, what causes, or what is, bullseye rash associated with? And you’d had to guess Lyme disease, of course.

Dr. Deb 4:07
Female.

David Jernigan 4:08
But that was, you know, considered to be more a New England illness, and you would never see it anywhere else. But here was this woman. I knew… nothing about Lyme beyond what we had gotten taught in college, which was, like I say, next to nothing. And she would not let me stop feeding me information. I mean, you gotta remember, the internet wasn’t even hardly in existence in those years. I mean, it was brand new. It was supposed to be this information highway, and So I started purchasing, like a lot of doctors do even now, they start purchasing every kind of new supplement that’s supposed to work for bacteria. There was no product in those days that actually was Lyme-specific. I mean, nobody was really dealing with it naturally. It was always a pharmaceutical situation.

Dr. Deb 5:04
And a very short course at that.

David Jernigan 5:06
Yeah, 2 weeks of doxy and you\’re cured, whether your symptoms are gone or not, which… she’d had the 2 weeks of doxy, and her symptoms and her son’s symptoms were not gone. And so, I absolutely just purchased everything I could find. Nothing would work. I mean, I could name names of products, and you would recognize them, because they’re still out there today.

Dr. Deb 5:28
Which is.

David Jernigan 5:30
Kind of a… A sad thing that natural medicine is still riding on these things that have the most marketing.

Dr. Deb 5:37
As opposed to sometimes the things that actually have the documented research.

David Jernigan 5:42
Behind it, and I am a doctor of chiropractic medicine, and I specialized all these years in chronic, incurable illnesses of all types. That may sound odd to a lot of people, but doctors of chiropractic medicine are trained just like a GP typically would be. The medical schools, as I understand it, got together, decades ago and said, wow, if all we did was… Crank out general practitioners for the next 10 years, we wouldn\’t have still enough general practitioners to supply the demand.

Dr. Deb 6:17
Right. Everybody in medicine, in medical schools, wanted to be a specialist, because that\’s where the money was, and it was…

David Jernigan 6:24
Easier, kind of, also, to… you know, just focus on one part of the body, and specialize in that.

Dr. Deb 6:31
Expert in that one area.

David Jernigan 6:32
So we all now have the same training. We all go through pre-med. We got a bachelor\’s degree, I got my bachelor’s degree in nutrition, and through, Park University in Parkville, Missouri. And so, you know, when I ran out of options to purchase, I just used a technology that I developed, which was an advancement upon other technologies, but I called it bioresonance scanning. And I coined the term back in the 90s. It was a way to kind of
Kind of like a sensitive test, you know, like you might.

Dr. Deb 7:09
I wouldn’t.

David Jernigan 7:09
Of applied kinesiology, then clinical kinesiology, then chiro plus kinesiology, then, you know, you can just keep going with all the advancements that were made. Well, this was an advancement upon those things, so… I developed… I was the first in… in… my known world of doctors to develop a way to detect adjunctively, obviously we can\’t say it’s a primary diagnosis. Adjunctively detect the presence of a given specimen. So we could say, thus saith my test. It’s highly likely you have Borrelia burgdurferi. And, but I had to have the specimen on hand to be able to match what I call frequency matching to the specimen. Brand new concept in those days. And so I was able to detect whether or not my treatments were successful or not. This is something even now that\’s really difficult for doctors, because antibody tests, even the most advanced ones, it\’s still an antibody test. It\’s still an immune response to an infection.
And accurately, you know, some doctors will slam those tests, saying, well. That doesn’t mean you actually have the infection, that just means your body has seen it before, which is a correct statement, kind of. So being able to detect the presence, and even where in the body these infections are was a way huge advancement in the 90s, for sure it\’s kind of funny, I think about a conference I went to, and cuz… I’m kind of jumping ahead. Because I ended up developing my own formula, just for this woman and her children, and it worked. And I was like, wow! Their symptoms were gone, all the blood tests came back negative. In those days, we were using the iGenX. Western blot, eventually. And the, what was called a Lyme urine antigen test. I don\’t know if you remember that, because it… Only decades later did I meet, the owner of iGenX, Nick Harris.

Dr. Deb 9:17
Person. And I was like, whatever happened to the Luwat test? Because I took it off the market after a while. He said, honestly, we lost the antigen and couldn\’t find it again. Oh, no.

David Jernigan 9:27
And so… but that was a brilliant test. It was the actual gold standard in those days. Again, the world… it can\’t be understated how different the world was in the 90s.

Dr. Deb 9:40
Yeah.

David Jernigan 9:41
Towards natural medicine, even.

Dr. Deb 9:44
Oh, yeah. We think… we think it\’s bad now, but, like, when I started, too, I started in the early 2000s, like, we were all hiding under the radar, like, you didn\’t market, we would have never been on social media, we didn\’t run ads, we didn\’t do any.

David Jernigan 10:00
Right.

Dr. Deb 10:01
Because the medical boards were coming for us.

David Jernigan 10:04
Came after me.

Dr. Deb 10:05
Because I had the word Lime on my page, my website.

David Jernigan 10:10
You know, not saying that I treat Lyme.

Dr. Deb 10:13
Hmm?

David Jernigan 10:13
Yes

Dr. Deb 10:15
Just talking about mind.

David Jernigan 10:16
And it\’s funny, because, once I had this formula, it was something… and I trained in Germany, in anthroposophical medicine, and they\’ve been trained in herbal… making herbal extracts, making homeopathic remedies in the anthroposophical methodology, and I trained with the Hahnemann versions of homeopathy, which is just slightly different. Yeah. And, so I was well-versed with making some of my own formulas by that time. And so, it was really something that I wrote on the bottle, you know, and I had to call it something, so I called it Borreligin, which is still in existence, and it\’s still a phenomenal herbal remedy right now. And to my knowledge, it\’s the only frequency-matched herbal formula. Maybe still out there. Because unless you knew how to do my testing, the bioresonent scanning, there was no way to actually do frequency matching. Matter of fact, as a really famous herbalist attacked me online, saying, oh, none of these herbs will kill anything. And I\’m like, that wasn\’t what I was saying. I was saying, back in those days, I was saying, well, if… what would the body need to address these infections?
You know, not, like, what\’s gonna kill the infections for the body.

Dr. Deb 11:38
Right.

David Jernigan 11:39
Right? So it was a phenomenal way, but the LUAT test was amazing because what you\’d do is you would give your treatment, like an MD would give an antibiotic for a week, ahead of time. Trying to increase the number of dead spirochetes showing up in your urine one day out of 3 days urine catch. So you\’d wake up in the morning, you\’d collect your urine 3 days in a row, and any one of those being positive is a positive. But it was a brilliant test because it wasn\’t an antibody test. They were literally counting the number of dead pieces of Lyme bacteria in your urine. I mean, it was pretty irrefutable. So I had a grand slam on the… the Western blot on patients, and I\’d also have a grand slam on the LUAT, and their medical doctors would say, oh, that doctor in the lab are probably in cahoots change some lab.

Dr. Deb 12:38
Of course.

David Jernigan 12:39
That come in. And I still see that today. You know, it\’s like, oh my gosh, the better the tests are getting. There\’s still a bias if you do your own research. Well, if you happen to be a doctor who loves research. And you\’re a clinician, so you actually treat patients who\’s gonna write the research study? Well, of course, the doctor who did the study, well, he\’s biased, and I\’m like, I still can\’t influence lab tests. Well, lab tests aren\’t everything. People scream over the internet at me. It\’s like, well, a negative lab test doesn\’t mean anything. I was like… I get that with the old Western blot testing.

Dr. Deb 13:16
Right.

David Jernigan 13:16
The more sensitive tests, which are very close to 100%, Sensitivity, and 100% specificity. So, meaning, like, they can… if you have the infection, they\’re gonna find it.

Dr. Deb 13:30
They\’ll find it, yeah.

David Jernigan 13:31
And if they… if you have the infection, they\’re going to be able to tell you exactly 100% correctly what kind of infection it is. Back in those days, you couldn\’t, you could just count the dead pieces, which was…

Dr. Deb 13:43
Yeah.

David Jernigan 13:43
Significant, but It\’s funny, because when medicine does that, you know, mainstream medicine that\’s backed by all the nice foundations who donate millions of dollars towards the research. Their negative tests are significant, but if you fund your own, Yours isn\’t that significant.

Dr. Deb 14:04
Right, or what if we call something a seronegative autoimmune disease, like lupus or rheumatoid arthritis, because none of the tests are positive, but you have all the symptoms. Here, let me give you this $100,000 a year drug.

David Jernigan 14:19
Yeah.

Dr. Deb 14:19
And instead of looking for what might actually be causing the symptoms. That\’s all okay, but what we do is not okay.

David Jernigan 14:27
Right. Yeah, it\’s a double standard, and it\’s getting better. I want to do… tell the world it is getting better. Some of the dinosaurs are retiring.

Dr. Deb 14:36
No.

David Jernigan 14:37
Way for people who are… Are more open-minded to new ideas. But, getting back to that woman, she… that formula that I made just for her and her son, I… She went online.

Dr. Deb 14:54
Which, I had never been on a news group.

David Jernigan 14:58
Not even sure I knew what one was, you know? Imagine, I\’m kind of that dinosaur that… Cell phones were, like, these really big things with a big antenna sticking out of it, and…

Dr. Deb 15:09
Nope.

David Jernigan 15:10
So I thought I was pretty hot stuff, just that I actually had a computer software program that was running my front desk. And even then, it was an Apple IIe computer.

Dr. Deb 15:21
Right.

David Jernigan 15:22
Probably be pretty valuable right now if I\’d kept it, but…

Dr. Deb 15:25
Mmm…

David Jernigan 15:26
It being an antique. But, suddenly people were calling my clinic, because the lady with the twin boys that was well was telling people on these research, I mean, these Lyme disease forums and boards online. And, I started going, oh my gosh, you know, as a doctor, it\’s one thing to treat a person in your clinic, it\’s a different thing to have your clinic name on the label. Like, we all do, Even now, and you\’re supposed to write everything that\’s on the label, and… all these guidelines, and I\’m like, wow, I need to split this off. I mean, I def… I definitely want to help people, and this is… I was pretty excited about the results we were getting. Pre-treat… Pre-treatment and post-treatment. And, so… that\’s where I developed, my nutraceutical business in the 90s called Journey Good Nutraceuticals. My advice to anybody thinking about doing the same thing, don\’t put your last name on it.

Dr. Deb 16:25
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David Jernigan 16:25
You know, because anytime negative anything comes out, there goes the Jernigan name, you know, the herbal, you know, there\’s just all these, and especially nowadays, with all the bots that are just designed to slam natural medicine.

Dr. Deb 16:38
Yeah.

David Jernigan 16:39
And that is out there in a… and just ugly people.

Dr. Deb 16:42
Or should we just say, people with a different opinion? How\’s that?

David Jernigan 16:46
Yeah. That are being less than supportive.

Dr. Deb 16:49
But.

David Jernigan 16:51
It was amazing, because by 1999, I presented my research, my first research, I\’d never done research. This is what I would… I would say to a lot of people who go, my doctor did… I don\’t know, my doctor doesn\’t know what you\’re doing, my doctor… I was like going, you know, most doctors don\’t do research. They don\’t publish anything. Their opinion is their opinion, but they don\’t back it up in peer review, right? And so that\’s what I always tried to do, was back it up in peer review and publish. And so, in 1999, I presented at the International Tick-Borne Diseases Conference in New York City. I\’m telling you, it was like the country boy going to the city, you know, I got my… I got my suit on, and I looked all right, and my booth was wonderful, and all these different things, and it was just a big wake-up call.
Because what we had demonstrated… let\’s get back to the… and this was what I demonstrated with that first study. was that… A positive LUAC test, that Lyme urine antigen test for my Gen X, was a score of 32. Meaning, one of those 3 mornings urine had 32 pieces in the amount of urine they checked of deadline bacteria spirochetes. Okay? Okay. With antibiotic challenges, a highly positive was a score of 45.

Dr. Deb 18:19
Wow when I would give one dropper 3 times a day for a week.

David Jernigan 18:24
Ahead of time, and then do the person\’s LUAT test, We were getting scores 100, 200… And at that point, we only had a couple, but we had a couple that were greater than 400. Yeah, dead pieces, where the lab just quits counting. They just said, somewhere over 400, right?

Dr. Deb 18:45
Yeah.

David Jernigan 18:46
Which, when the medical system at the conference, you know, I was the only natural doctor in the world that was… had any kind of proof of anything naturally that could outperform antibiotics. Can you imagine?

Dr. Deb 18:59
Yeah. And…

David Jernigan 19:01
They were just, oh my gosh, incredulous. They\’re like, I\’ve given the most… one guy came up to me, and to my face, and he goes, I\’ve given the most aggressive antibiotic protocols And I\’ve only seen one patient over 100. I was like, that makes this pretty significant, doesn\’t it? But, it didn\’t just, like, make us take off, because guess what? In Lyme world, if a pharmaceutical antibiotic made you feel horrible. That meant it was working.

Dr. Deb 19:28
That\’s right. We used to, back in the day, if you didn\’t herx. And had that horrible die-off reaction, for those of you who don\’t know what a herx is, but if we didn\’t make you herx, we weren\’t doing our job right.

David Jernigan 19:40
You\’re looking for your patients to feel horrible, and sometimes to the level of committing suicide.

Dr. Deb 19:46
Yes.

David Jernigan 19:47
So bad.

Dr. Deb 19:48
Yes.

David Jernigan 19:49
And I was the first doctor, I think, in the world to start screaming and hollering and saying, stop using the worsening of your patient\’s symptoms as a guide to good treatment, because they\’re… I wasn\’t seeing it with my formulas. Because I was doing a comprehensive program of care. I think I was also one of the first doctors to say, we need to detoxify these people as we\’re doing this. And you would sit there and say, well, sure you were. I was like, well, remember, there wasn\’t a lot of communication. There wasn\’t anybody on the internet saying, do this, do that. And, It was, it was interesting in those days. It was, how do you… How do you help the world heal from these things? That they don\’t know they have. So later, I actually had a beautiful booth at a health… a big health expo in Texas, I remember, and I was like, you know, you spend a lot of money on the booth, and…

Dr. Deb 20:43
Yup.

David Jernigan 20:43
And you\’re thinking about it because you\’re funding the whole thing, you say, wow, if I only sell one case, I\’ll at least cover my cost.

Dr. Deb 20:51
Yep. Yeah, you\’re great.

David Jernigan 20:52
And I had this beautiful banner of, like, a blown-up tick\’s mouth under microscope. You know those beautiful pictures of, like, all the barbs sticking out, and how they anchor themselves in your skin, and… And, thousand people walking by my booth, and they\’re just like, keep walking, because they didn\’t know they had Lyme. There was, like, and they had MS, maybe, but they don\’t have Lyme, and so they just would keep walking. Nobody even knew. Why would I go to a conference in Texas? And I\’m trying to say, no, guys, it\’s everywhere.

Dr. Deb 21:24
Yeah.

David Jernigan 21:24
And… and everybody, you know, yes, you probably have this, you know, kind of thing. If you\’re… if you… are chronically ill, almost, of any kind of way. You know, kind of trying to tell people this was… Again, in Robin\’s pathology textbooks, one of the few things that it did tell you about Lyme was that it was called the Great… the New Great Imitator. Because it would imitate up to 200 or more different illnesses. So, it\’s been an interesting journey, of… educating people, writing articles, but it was interesting, the lady who I first fixed, Laboratory verified, everything like that, symptoms went away, all that kind of fun stuff. Her children were fine, they\’ve been fine for years now. When she went on the newsboards in the Lyme disease support groups, It created a war. Oh my goodness, it was like, how dare you? And, say that something natural might actually help, right?

Dr. Deb 22:30
Right, exactly.

David Jernigan 22:32
And, I even had… A… one of those first calls to… with a marketing company at one point, way a long time ago. And the lady got on the phone, the owner of the marketing company goes, I would have blood on my hands if I actually took your clinic on. Yeah, you can\’t treat Lyme disease, and… Even the big, big associations that are out there are still largely that way. I mean, they\’re getting better, but it\’s just like… you know, a lot of the times, it\’s herbs are good. Herbs will help. Good, you know, but they\’re safe. So, it\’s still a challenge to… to… present in mainstream Lyme communities, even. Because there\’s this… Fear of doing anything outside of antibiotics.

Dr. Deb 23:32
Yeah, so let me ask you this. From your perspective. Why do you think so many chronic infections exist these days, like Lyme and the co-infections, Babesia, Bartonella, mold illness? And we talked a little bit about herbs and why they, antibiotics and things like that fail, but let\’s talk a little bit about that.

David Jernigan 23:53
So, it\’s fascinating. When I trained in Germany, they said that we, as humanity, has moved away from what they called the inflammatory diseases. You know, in the old days, it was. Lots of high fevers, purulent, pus-generating bacterial infections. And I said, as a society, we have…

Dr. Deb 24:14
Have shifted from those to what they call cold sclerotic diseases, which are your…

David Jernigan 24:21
Cancers, your diabetes, your atherosclerosis, your… and they said, we\’re starting to see what used to only be geriatric diseases in our children. That\’s how bad it\’s gotten. We have suppressed fevers, we don\’t… we don\’t respect the wisdom of the human body. So, you know, the doctors say, step aside, body, I will fix this infection for you with this antibiotic. And so, what we\’ve done with the, overuse of antibiotics, and this isn\’t me just talking from a natural perspective, this is… Right, it\’s everybody around the world is acknowledging. I\’ll show you… I could show you a, a presentation, if we can do a screen-sharing situation. Yeah. About the antibiotic situation in the world, because it\’s really concerning. But what I would say, and kind of like an advancement forward, is we are seeing mutated bacteria. You know, they talked about… do you remember when they found the Iceman, you know, the… You know, the prehistoric guy that\’s… In the eyes, and he had Lyme bacteria. I was like, he had spirochetes, maybe.

Dr. Deb 25:33
Yeah.

David Jernigan 25:33
That isn\’t a modified, mutated version. That\’s just maybe the… Lyme… you know, Borrelia… call it Borrelia something, you know, it\’s a spirochete, but what we\’re dealing with today. Even under strep or staph, as you know, you know, Pseudomonas aeruginosa, you name it, whatever kind of infection a person has is not the same bacteria that your grandparents dealt with.

Dr. Deb 26:01
That\’s right.

David Jernigan 26:32
It\’s a much mutated, stronger, more resistant to treatment type of thing. So, I think that\’s one reason. I think the, It\’s great that we\’re seeing, you know, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. bringing awareness to things that Like it or not, yeah, seed oils do create inflammation, and everyone in the natural realm, as you know. Has been trying to say this for probably how long?

Dr. Deb 26:35
Yeah, 25, 30 years. 20 years each.

David Jernigan 26:48
Yes. You know, thank goodness for people like Sally Fallon and her beautiful book, Nourishing Traditions, that started you know, Dr. Bernard Jensen\’s books way back in the day, Dr. Christopher\’s books way back in the day.

Dr. Deb 26:48
Damn.

David Jernigan 26:49
You know, all of them were way ahead of their time, saying, by the way, your margarine is only missing one ingredient from being axle grease.

Dr. Deb 26:58
Yeah.

David Jernigan 26:58
I think that was Dr. Jensen saying that at one point, probably 50, 60 years ago, I don\’t know.

Dr. Deb 27:03
Yep.

David Jernigan 27:04
So, we\’ve created this monster. We, we live in a very controlled environment, you know, of 72, 74 degrees at all times, we don\’t sweat, we don\’t have to work that hard, typically. You know, most of us aren\’t out there like our ancestors were, so that\’s making us more and more… Move towards the cold sclerotic diseases, of which even Lyme disease is, you know, which… Yes, it has inflammation, yes, but as a presentation, it\’s very often associated with some of these Cold sclerotic diseases of mankind that we see now.

Dr. Deb 27:46
You have it.

David Jernigan 27:47
Yeah.

Dr. Deb 27:48
So, tell me, what is phage therapy?

David Jernigan 27:52
Well, may I show you a cool video?

Dr. Deb 27:55
Yeah, I\’d love that.

David Jernigan 27:56
I did not make this video, this is just one of my favorites, because it\’s from the National Institute of Health. Let\’s see if I can just… Click the share screen thing. And get that to pop up. That\’s not what I\’m looking for, but it\’s gonna be soon. Let\’s go here… Alright, can you see that?

Dr. Deb 28:18
Yeah.

David Jernigan 28:19
Okay. Modern medicine faces a serious problem. Thanks in part to overuse and misuse of antibiotics, many bacteria are gaining resistance to our most common cures. Researchers are probing possible alternatives to antibiotics, including phages. So, bacteriophages, or we like to call them phages for short, are naturally occurring viruses that infect and kill bacteria. The basic structure consists of a head, a sheath, and tail fibers. The tail fibers are what mediate attachment to the bacterial cell. The DNA stored in the head will then travel down the sheath and be injected inside the cell. Once inside the cell, the phage will hijack the cellular machinery to make many copies of itself. Lastly, the newly assembled phages burst forth from the bacterium, which resets their phage life cycle and kills the bacterium in the process. Someday, healthcare providers may be able to treat MRSA and other stubborn bacterial infections using a mixture of phages, or a phage cocktail process would be first to identify what the pathogen is that\’s causing the infection. So the bacterium is isolated and is characterized. And then there\’s a need to select a phage in a process known as screening of phage that are either present in a repository or in a so-called phage library. That allows for many of the phages to be evaluated for effectiveness against that isolated I don\’t know, bacterium. Phages were first discovered over 100 years ago by a French-Canadian named Felice Derrell. They initially gained popularity in Eastern Europe, however, Western countries largely abandoned phages in favor of antibiotics, which were better understood and easier to produce in large quantities. Now, with bacteria like these gaining resistance to antibiotics, phage research is gaining momentum in the United States once again. NIAID recently partnered with other government agencies to host a phage workshop, where researchers from NIH, FTA, the commercial sector, and academia gathered to discuss recent progress. NIH… So… That is… That is what phage therapy in… is. in what I call conventional phage. Let\’s see, how do I get out of the share screen? Hope you already don\’t see it.

Dr. Deb 30:58
Yep, at the top, there should just be a button.

David Jernigan 31:00
I don\’t.

Dr. Deb 31:00
Stop sharing, yeah.

David Jernigan 31:01
So… Conventional phage therapy, as you just saw, is a lot like what it is that we\’re doing, only the difference is they\’re taking wild phages from the environment. They\’re finding phages anywhere there\’s, like, a lot of bacteria. And then they isolate those phages, and like he said, the gentleman at the very end said we put them in a library, and so there are banks of phages that they can actually now use, and One of the largest banks that I know of has about 700 different bacteriophages, or phages. In their bank that they can pull from.

Dr. Deb 31:43
Wow. Do you want to take a guess?

David Jernigan 31:46
How many bacteriophages they\’ve identified are in the human gut, on average?

Dr. Deb 31:52
Oh my god, there\’s gotta be more…

David Jernigan 31:53
Kinds, different kinds of phages, how many?

Dr. Deb 31:56
There\’s gotta be millions.

David Jernigan 31:57
Well… In population, there\’s… humongous numbers, numbers probably well beyond the trillions, okay? Hundreds of trillions, quadrillions, maybe, even. But in the gut, a recent peer-reviewed journal article said that there were 32,242 different types of bacteriophages that live naturally in your intestines, your gut.

Dr. Deb 32:25
Boom.

David Jernigan 32:26
32,000. Okay, so… If you read any article on phage therapy that\’s in peer review, almost every single one in the very first paragraph, they use the same sentence. They go, Phages are ubiquitous in nature. They\’re ubiquitous in nature. So my brain, when I find… when all this finally clicked together, and when we clicked together 5 years into my research, I could not get it to work for 5 years. I just kept going. But that sentence really got me going. I was, like, going, you know. If you look at what ubiquitous means, it says if Phages were the size of grains of sand. Like sand on the beach. They would completely cover the earth and be 50 miles deep. How crazy is that?

Dr. Deb 33:24
Wow.

David Jernigan 33:25
That\’s how many phages are on the planet. There\’s so many… they outnumber every species collectively on the planet. So, it\’s an impossibility in my mind. I went, huh, it\’s an impossibility that… You catching a, a sterile Bacteria, it\’s almost an impossibility. Since the beginning of time, phages have been needing to use a reproductive host. And it\’s very specific, so every kind of bacteria has its own kind of phage it uses as a reproductive host. Because phages are… and this is a clarification I want to make for people. just like in the old days, we were talking about the 90s, I talked to a veterinarian that had gotten in trouble with the veterinary board in her state.

Dr. Deb 34:14
Back in the old days.

David Jernigan 34:16
Because she gave dogs probiotics. And the board thought she was giving the dogs an infection so that she could treat them and make money off of the subsequent infection.

Dr. Deb 34:28
Oh my god.

David Jernigan 34:29
Nobody actually had heard of good, friendly bacteria in the veterinary world, I guess she said she had gotten in trouble, and she had to defend herself, that, no, I\’m giving friendly, benevolent, beneficial bacteria. Okay, to these animals, and getting good results.
So, phages… Are friendly, benevolent, beneficial viruses. That live in your body, but they only will infect a certain type of bacteria. So… What that means is if you have staff.
Aureus, you know, Staphylococcus aureus bacteria. That bacteria has its own kind of phage that infects it called a staph aureus phage. E. coli has an E. coli phage. Each type of E. coli has its own phage, so Borrelia burgdurferi has its own Borrelia burgdurferi type of phage, whereas Borrelia miyamotoi alright? Or any of the other Borrelia species, or the Bartonella species, or the… you just keep going, and Moses has its own type of phage that only will infect that type of bacteria. So that\’s… You know, when you realize, wow, why are we going to the environment Was my thought.

Dr. Deb 35:54
Yeah.

David Jernigan 34:55
Trying to find wild phages and put them into your body, and hopefully they go and do what you want them to do. What if we could trigger the phages themselves that live in your body to, instead of just farming that bacteria that it uses as a host, because what I mean by farming is the phages will only kill 40% of that population of bacteria a day.

Dr. Deb 36:20
Wow.

David Jernigan 36:20
And then they send out a signal to all the other phages saying, stop killing!

Dr. Deb 36:24
It\’s like.

David Jernigan 36:25
60% of the bacteria population left to be breeding stock. It\’s kind of like the farmer, the rancher, who… he doesn\’t send his whole herd to the butcher.

Dr. Deb 36:35
Right.

David Jernigan 36:36
Just to, you know, he keeps his breeding stock. He sends the rest, right? So, the phages will kill 40% of the population every day, just in their reproduction process. Because once there\’s so many, as you saw in the video, once the phage lands on top of the bacteria, injects its genetic material into the bacteria, that bacteria genetic engine starts cranking out up to 5,200 phages per bacteria.

Dr. Deb 37:06
I don\’t know who counted all those…

David Jernigan 37:08
Inside of a bacteria, but some scientists peer-reviewed it and put it out there. that ruptures, and it literally looks like a grenade goes off inside of the bacteria. I wish I\’d remembered to bring that video of a phage killing a bacteria, but it just goes, oof. And it\’s just a cloud of dust. So, you\’re breaking apart a lot of those different toxins and things. So… That\’s… That was the impetus to me creating what I did. That and the fact that I looked it up, and I found out that phages will sometimes go… Crazy. I don\’t know how to say it. Wiping out 100% of their host. And it could be a trigger, like change in the body\’s pH levels, it could be electromagnetically done, you know, like, there\’s been documentation of… I think it was, 50 Hz, electricity. Triggering one kind of phage to go… Crazy and annihilate its host population. There\’s other ways, but I was, like, going, none of those fit me, you know? It\’s not like I\’m gonna shock somebody with a… Jumper cable or something to try to get phages to… to do that kind of thing. But the fact that it could be done, they can be triggered, they can switch and suddenly go crazy against their population. But what happens when they kill 100% of their host? The phages themselves die within 4 days.

Dr. Deb 38:45
Hmm. Because they can\’t keep reproducing.

David Jernigan 38:47
There\’s nothing to reproduce them, yeah.

Dr. Deb 38:49
Yeah. Especially… unless they\’re a polyvalent phage, that means a phage that can segue and use.

David Jernigan 38:54
One or two other kinds of bacteria. To, as a reproductive host. But a lot of phages, if not the majority, are monovalent, which means they have one host that they like to use. And so… Borrelia, so… my study that I ended up doing, and I published the results in 2021, And it\’s a small study, but it\’s right in there at the high end, believe it or not, of phage research. Most phage research is less than 30 people. In the study. But, we did 26 people.
And after one month of doing the phage induction that I invented, which only… Appears to only, induce or stimulate the types of phages that will do the job in your body. I don\’t care what kind of phage it is. I don\’t care if it\’s a Borrelia phage, it may be a polyvalent phage that normally doesn\’t use the Borrelia burgdurferi as its number one. Host, but it can. To go and kill that infection. And the fascinating thing is, there was a brand new test that came out at the same time I came out with the idea, literally the same weekend they presented.

Dr. Deb 40:15
11.

David Jernigan 40:15
ILADS conference in Boston in 2019. It was called the Felix Borrelia phage Test. So the Felix Borrelia phage test. Because Borrelia are often intracellular, right, they\’re buried down in the tissue, they\’re not often in the blood that much. And therefore, doing a blood test isn\’t really that accurate. But you remember how there\’s, like, potentially as many as 5,200 phages of that type erupt from each bacteria when it breaks apart. It\’s way easier to detect those phages, because they\’re now circulating, those 52, as you saw in the video. 5,200 different phages are now seeking out another Borrelia that they can infect. And so, while they\’re out in circulation, that\’s easy to find in the bloodstream. So, 77% of the people, so 20 out of 26, were tested after a 2-week period. After only a 4-day round of treatment. Because according to my testing, remember, I can actually test adjunctively to see if I can find any signatures for those kinds of bacteria. And I couldn\’t after 4 days, so we discontinued treatment and waited Beyond the 4 days that would allow the phages themselves to die, so we waited about a week and a half.
And redid the test. And 77%, so that 20 out of 26 of the people, were completely negative.

Dr. Deb 41:50
Wow.

David Jernigan 41:52
Which, you go, well, it\’s just a blood test. Well, no, we actually had people that were getting better, like, they\’d never gotten better before. We had one woman who was wheelchair-bound, and in two weeks was able to walk, and even ultimately wanted to work for my clinic. I\’m just, like, going…

Dr. Deb 42:07
I didn\’t want to write about all that. I wanted to write about the phages. I was like…

David Jernigan 42:12
article, I probably should have put some of those stories, because, Critics would say, well, you got rid of the infection, maybe, but… Did you fix the Lyme disease? Well, that\’s… there\’s two factors here that every doctor needs to understand. There\’s the infection in chronic illness, there\’s the infection, and then there\’s the damage that\’s been done. Because sometimes I have these people that would come in and say, well, Dr. Jernigan, it didn\’t work for me, I\’m still in the wheelchair. And I\’m like, no, it worked. Repeat lab test over months says it\’s gone, it\’s gone, it\’s gone. It\’s like, we would follow, and 88% of the people we followed long-term were still negative, which is amazing to me.

Dr. Deb 42:56
And then they have to repair the damage.

David Jernigan 42:59
It\’s the damages why you still have your symptoms. And that\’s where the doctor has to get busy, right?

Dr. Deb 43:06
Right

David Jernigan 43:06
They were told erroneously by their doctor that originally treated them that they\’d be well, they\’d get out of the wheelchair, if he could actually kill all these infections.

Dr. Deb 43:15
It\’s not true.

David Jernigan 43:16
Unless it\’s caught early. So I love the analogy, and I\’ve said it a thousand times.
that Lyme disease and chronic infections are much like having termites in the wood of your house. If you find the termites early, then yeah, killing the infection, life goes back to normal, the storm comes and your house doesn\’t fall down. But if it\’s 20 years later. Killing the termites is still a grand idea. Right. But you have the damage in the wood that needs to be repaired as well. All the systems… when I talk about damage to the wood, I mean, like. All the bioregulatory aspects of the body, how it regulates itself, all the biochemical pathways, the metabolic pathways we all know about, getting the toxins that have been lodged in there for many years, stopping the inflammatory things that have been running crazy. Dealing with all those cytokines that are just running rampant through the body, creating this whole MCAS situation. Which are largely…

Dr. Deb 44:21
Coming from your body\’s own immune cells called macrophages, which are not even…

David Jernigan 44:26
It\’s not… a virus at all, it\’s part of the immune system, it\’s like a Pac-Man, and research shows that especially in spirochetes. There is no toxin. Now, I wrote 4 books. I think I wrote the very first book on the natural treatment of people with Lyme disease back in the 90s. Why did I write that? Not because I wanted to be famous, it\’s a tiny book, actually, the first one was.
I was just trying to help people get out of this idea that you will be well when you kill all the bugs. I was saying, it\’s… you need to be doing this. If you can\’t come to my clinic, at least do this. Try to find somebody that will do this for you. And that ultimately led to a bigger book.
as I kept learning more, and I was like, going, well, okay, now at least do this amount of stuff. And you need to make sure your doctor is handling this, this, this, and this. And so, the third book was, like, 500 and something pages long. And then the fourth book was 500 and something pages long, and now they\’re all obsolete with the whole phage thing, because this just rewrites everything.

Dr. Deb 45:34
Yeah.

David Jernigan 45:34
It\’s pretty fascinating.

Dr. Deb 45:37
Do you think the war on bugs, mentality created more chronic illness than it solved?

David Jernigan 45:44
Because of the tools that doctors had to use, yes. We\’re a minority, we\’re still a minority, you and I.

Dr. Deb 45:54
Yep. Our doctoring…

David Jernigan 45:56
Methods I never had, and you\’d never… maybe you did, but I\’d never had the ability to grab a prescription pad and write out a prescription. I had to figure out, how do I get… and this was… and still my guiding thing, is like, how do I identify, number one, everything that can be found that\’s gone wrong in the human body. And what do I need to provide that body? Like, the body is the carpenter. That has to do the repair, has to regenerate, has to do everything, has to get… everything fixed right? We can\’t fix anything. If you have a paper cut, there isn\’t a doctor on the planet that can make that go away.

Dr. Deb 46:38
Right.

David Jernigan 46:39
Of their own power, much less chronic illnesses. So, all the treatments are like the screws, saws, hammers, you know the carpenter must be able to use. So a lot of the time, doctors are just throwing an entire Home Depot on top of the carpenter. In the form of, like, bags of supplements, you know, hundreds of supplements, I\’ve seen patients walk in my door with two suitcasefuls. And they were taking 70 bottles, 65 to 70 bottles of supplements, and I\’d be just like, wow, your carpenter who\’s been working for 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. He\’s exhausted. There\’s chaos everywhere, you don\’t know where to.

Dr. Deb 47:22
Starting.

David Jernigan 47:22
He goes, you want me to do what with all this stuff?

Dr. Deb 47:25
Yep, I\’ve seen the same thing. People… thousands, you know, several thousand dollars a month on supplements, and not any better. But they\’re afraid to give up their supplements, too, because they don\’t want to go backwards, either, and… there\’s got to be a better way on both sides, the conventional side and the alternative side, although you and I don\’t say it\’s alternative, that\’s the way medicine should be, but…

David Jernigan 47:48
Right.

Dr. Deb 47:49
We have to have a good balance on both sides.

David Jernigan 47:52
And I will say, too, in defense of doctors using a lot of supplements, I do use a lot of supplements.

Dr. Deb 47:57
Yeah, I do too.

David Jernigan 47:58
but I want to synergize what I\’m giving the patient so that the carpenter isn\’t overwhelmed and can actually get the job done. Like, everything has to work harmoniously together, so it\’s not that… It\’s not the number of supplements, and why would you need a lot of supplements? Well, because every system in your body is Messed up. My kind of clientele for 30 years. Our clientele, yours and mine.

Dr. Deb 48:25
Yeah.

David Jernigan 48:26
They have been sick, For decades, many of them.

Dr. Deb 48:31
Yeah.

David Jernigan 48:31
And if they went into a hospital, they honestly need every department. They need endocrinology, they need their kidney doctor, they need their… They\’re a cardiologists, they need a neurologist, they need a rheumatologist. I mean, because none of those doctors are gonna deal with everything. They\’re just gonna deal with one piece of the puzzle. And if they did get the benefit of all the different departments they need, yeah, they\’d go out with a garbage bag full of stuff, too.

Dr. Deb 48:57
Hey, wood.

David Jernigan 48:58
Only, they\’re not synergized. They don\’t work together. You\’re creating this chemistry set of who knows how much poison. And I want to tell your listeners, and I mean, you probably say this to your patients as well. There is a law of pharmacy that I learned eons ago, and it applies to natural medicine, too.

Dr. Deb 49:21
Yep.

David Jernigan 49:22
But the law says every drug\’s primary side effect Is its primary action. So, if you listen to TV, you can see this on commercials. I love… I love listening to these commercials, because I\’m like, wow. let\’s… let\’s… I don\’t want to say I\’ve named Brandon. I don\’t know if that\’s…
Inappropriate to name a name brand, but let\’s just say you have a pharmaceutical that is for sleep. After they show you this beautiful scene of the person restfully sleeping and everything like that, they tell you the truth. It\’s like, this may cause sleepiness… I mean, sleeplessness.

Dr. Deb 50:04
Yeah.

David Jernigan 50:04
Found insomnia.

Dr. Deb 50:06
And headaches, and diarrhea.

David Jernigan 50:08
All the other things, and if it\’s an antidepressant, what does the commercial do after it finishes showing you little bunny foo-foo, jumping through a green, happy people? They tell you, this may create depression, severe depression, and suicidal tendencies, which is the ultimate depression. So, I want everyone to understand you need to figure out what your doctor\’s tools are that they\’re asking you to take, and they\’re wanting you to take it forever, generally in mainstream medicine, right? In the hospitals and everything. They don\’t say, hey, your heart has this condition, take this medicine for 3 months, after which time you can get off.

Dr. Deb 50:48
Yep.

David Jernigan 50:49
not fixing it, right? So… That, on a timeline, there is a point, if it was truly even fixing anything. That you… it\’s done what it should do, and you should get off, even if it\’s a natural product. It\’s just like.

Dr. Deb 51:03
Right

David Jernigan 51:03
It\’s done what it should do, and you should get off, but instead. you go through the tree… the correction and out the other side, and that\’s where it starts manifesting a lot of the same problems that it had. So, anti-inflammatories, painkillers, imagine the number one side effects are pain inflammation. So, the doctor says, well. If you say, hey, I\’m having more pain, what does he do? He ups the dosage. And if he… if that doesn\’t work, if you\’re still in a lot of pain, which he would be, he changes it to a more powerful thing, right? But it starts the cycle all over again. So when you ask me, it\’s like, why are we having so much chronic illness? It\’s because of the whole philosophy. is the treatment philosophy of mainstream medicine that despises what you and I do. Because we\’re… our philosophy from the start is the biggest thing. It\’s like… We\’re striving for cure. That dirty four-letter word, cure, we\’re not even supposed to use it. And yet, if you look it up in Stedman\’s Medical Dictionary, it just means a restoration of health. Remission. Everyone\’s like, oh, I\’m in remission. I\’m like, remission is a drug term. It\’s a medical term. Again, look it up in a medical dictionary. It is a pharmaceutical term for a temporary pause Or a reduction of your symptom, but because it\’s just… symptom suppression, it will come back. It\’s… remission is great, I suppose, in… At the end of, like, where you\’ve exhausted everything, because I can\’t fix everything, I don\’t know about you.

Dr. Deb 52:41
No, I can\’t either, yeah.

David Jernigan 52:43
you know, on my phone consults, I try to always remind people, as much as I get excited about my technologies gosh, I see so much opportunity to fix you. I always try to go, please understand, I\’m gonna tell you what most doctors may not tell you on a phone consultation. I can\’t fix everything.

Dr. Deb 53:03
Yeah.

David Jernigan 53:03
For all of my tricks, I can\’t fix everything. Not tricks, but you know, all my technologies, and all my inventions. Phages, too. They are a tool. You know, antibiotics. I think I wrote a blog one time, it should be on my website somewhere, that says, Antibiotics do not… fix… neurological disease, or… I don\’t know, something like that. You know, you\’re using the wrong tool. I mean, it does what it does.

Dr. Deb 53:32
Yeah, you\’re using a hammer to do what a screwdriver needs to.

David Jernigan 53:35
Yeah, you know, it\’s like it\’s… And yet, you can probably tell her… that you\’ve had patients, too, that they go, Dr. Jernigan. My throat was so sore, and as soon as I swallowed that antibiotic. I felt better, and I\’m, like, going… How long did it take? Oh, it was immediate! I was like, dude, the gel cap didn\’t even have time to dissolve, I mean…

Dr. Deb 53:58
SIBO.

David Jernigan 54:00
But, it\’s not going to repair the tissues that were all raw. kind of stuff. So, I mean, that ulceration of your throat that\’s happening, the inflammation, there\’s no anti-inflammatory effect of these things. So, I digress a little bit, but phages, too… I wrote an article that\’s on the website, that\’s setting healthy expectations for phages, because they want… we can see some amazing things happen, things that in my 30 years, I wish I had all my career to do over again, now having this tool. It\’s just that much fun. I… when doctors around the country now are starting to use our inducent formulas, there\’s, 13 of them now, formulas. For different broad-spectrum illness presentations. I tell them all the same thing, I was like, you are gonna have so much fun.

Dr. Deb 54:53
That\’s exciting. Women.

David Jernigan 54:54
Winning is fun, you know? I was like. You know, mainstream medicine may never accept this, I don\’t know. I feel a real huge burden, though, to do my best to follow a, very scientific methodology. I\’ve published as much as I can publish at this time by myself. I never took money from the… the sources that are out there, because what do they do? They always come… money comes with strings.

Dr. Deb 55:22
Yes, it does.

David Jernigan 55:23
I don\’t trust… I don\’t trust… I mean, if you listen to the, roundtable that Our Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

Dr. Deb 55:35
Yeah.

David Jernigan 55:36
On Lyme disease last week the first couple of speakers were, like, pretty legit. I mean, all of them were legit, but I mean, they were, like, senators and congressmen or something like that, I think. And then you have… RFK Jr. himself, who\’s legit. Yeah they were fessing up to the fact that, yes, they were suppressing anything to do with Lyme.

Dr. Deb 56:00
Yeah.

David Jernigan 56:00
Our… our highest levels of, marbled halls and pillars and… of medicine were doing everything the way I thought they were. They were suppressing me. I was like, how can you ignore the best formulas ever, and still, I think Borreligen, and now, induced native phage therapy are still, I believe, I don\’t… I\’ve never seen it, I could be wrong. The only natural things that have been documented in a medical methodology.

Dr. Deb 56:34
Hmm in the natural realm. I mean, all the herbs that we talk about.

David Jernigan 56:39
You know, there\’s one that was really famous for a while, and it said, we gave… so many patients. This product, and other nutritional supplements. And at the end, X number of them were… dramatically better. That\’s not research.

Dr. Deb 56:57
Right. That\’s observation.

David Jernigan 56:59
The trick there was we gave this one thing, and then we gave high-dose proteolytic enzymes, we gave high dose this, we gave high dose that, but at the end of the study, we\’re going to point back at the thing we\’re trying to sell you as being what did it.

Dr. Deb 57:12
Which is what we do in all research, pretty much.

David Jernigan 57:15
Well…

Dr. Deb 57:16
tried to…

David Jernigan 57:17
Good guys, I hope.

Dr. Deb 57:18
Do the way we want, right? In… in conventional…

David Jernigan 57:22
Yeah.

Dr. Deb 57:22
Fantastic

David Jernigan 57:23
Very often, yeah, in conventional medicine, definitely. Yeah. And, it\’s kind of scary, isn\’t it, how many pharmaceuticals are slamming us with, because they\’re…

Dr. Deb 57:33
Okay.

David Jernigan 57:34
There\’s a new one on TV every day, and there\’s.

Dr. Deb 57:36
Every day, yes.

David Jernigan 57:37
It\’s like, who comes up with these names? They\’re just horrible.

Dr. Deb 57:40
Yeah, you can\’t pronounce them.

David Jernigan 57:41
I want to be a marketing company and come up with some Zimbabwehika, or something that actually they go with, and I\’m like, I just made a million bucks coming up with it. I\’ll be glad when that\’s not on the TV anymore, which… Oh, me too. Me too.

Dr. Deb 57:54
Dr. Jaredgen, this was really wonderful. What do you want to leave our listeners with?

David Jernigan 58:00
Well, you know, everyone\’s calling for a new treatment.

Dr. Deb 58:05
Yeah. You bet.

David Jernigan 58:08
I have done everything I can do to get it out there, scientifically, in peer review, so that if you want to look up my name.

Dr. Deb 58:16
I published an open access journal so that you didn\’t have to buy the articles. Like, PubMed, you have to be a member. If you want to look at a lot of the research, you have to buy the articles.

David Jernigan 58:26
I\’ve done everything open access so that people had access to the information. I honestly created induced native phage therapy to fix my own wife. I mean, I… I was… I used to think I could actually fix almost anything. Gave me enough time. And, I could not fix her. You know, the first 10 years, she was bedridden.

Dr. Deb 58:49
Wow.

David Jernigan 58:50
People go, oh, it\’s easy for you, Dr. Jernigan, you\’re a doctor.

Dr. Deb 58:54
Oh yeah, right? Yeah.

David Jernigan 58:56
Oh my gosh, how many tears have been shed, and how much heartache, and how much of this and that. I mean, 90% of our marriage, she was in, bed, just missing Christmas. All the horror stories you hear in the Lime world, that was her, and I could not get her completely well. And, she\’s a very discerning woman. I say that in all my podcasts, because it\’s.

Dr. Deb 59:19
Just…

David Jernigan 59:16
Amazing. It\’s like, every husband, I think, should want a wife that\’s… Always, right? Not that you surrender your own opinion, but it\’s like, it\’s… it was literally, I don\’t know what, 6 months before the ILADS conference in Boston in 2029… in 2019 that She said, are you going to the ILADS conference this year? And I\’m like, I\’ve been going for, like, 15, 20 years, however long it\’s been going on, and I was like, I\’m not gonna go to this one. And, 3 days before the conference, she says, I think you should go. And I go, okay. Like I say, she\’s generally right. And that… I bought a Scientific American magazine at the newsstand in the Nashville airport. Started reading a story about phages in that that copped that edition of the Scientific American, and It was a good article, but it wasn\’t super meaty, you know. very deep on those, but I just was stimulated. Something about being at elevation.

Dr. Deb 1:00:02
Yeah. Your own mountains, I don\’t know, I get all inspired.

David Jernigan 1:00:25
And I wrote in the margins and highlighted this and that until it was, like, ultimately, I spent the entire conference hammering this out. And it worked. And it\’s been working, it\’s just amazing. It\’s… We\’re over 200 different infections that we\’ve… we\’ve clinically or laboratory-wise documented. There\’s a new test for my GenX called the CEPCR Lyme Panel. like, culture. 64 different types of infections, and I believe right now the latest count is something like 10 for 10 were completely negative.

Dr. Deb 1:01:03
Wow.

David Jernigan 1:01:03
These chronically infected people. And so, that hadn’t been published anywhere. So, in my published article, remember I was talking about that 20 out of the 26 were tested as negative for the infection? That doesn’t mean they’re cured, okay? Remember, they’re chronically damaged. That’s how we need to look at it.

Dr. Deb 1:01:23
funny

David Jernigan 1:01:24
damaged. You’re not just chronically infected. And, but with 30-day treatment.24 out of the 26 were tested as negative.

Dr. Deb Muth 1:01:34
That’s amazing.

David Jernigan 1:01:35
So 92% of the people were negative.Okay? The chances of that happening, when you run it through statistical analysis.The chances… when you compare the results to the sensitivity percentages, you know, the 100% specificity and 92% sensitivity of the…Of the lab test
It’s a 4.5 nonillion to 1 chance that it was a fluke. Isn’t that amazing? Now, nearly… I’m not even sure how many zeros that is, but it’s a lot.

Dr. Deb Muth 1:02:08
That’s is awesome.

David Jernigan 1:02:09
Like, if I just said, well, it’s a one in a million chance it was a fluke.Okay.So, lab tests don’t lie. You’re not done, necessarily, just because you got rid of the infections. Now that formula for Lyme has grown to be 90-plusmicrobes targeted in the one formula. So, we figured out we can actually target individually, but collectively, almost like an antibiotic that’s laser-guided to only go after the bad guys that we targeted.So, all the Borrelia types are targeted, all the Babesias, for,the Bartonellas, the anaplasmosis, you name it, mycoplasma types are all targeted in that one formula, because I said.Took my collective 30 years of experience and 15,000 patients.
that I would typically see as co-infections and put them into that one formula, so…When we get these tests coming back that are testing for 64, it’s because of that.So, there’s a lot of coolnesses that I could actually keep going and going.

Dr. Deb Muth 1:03:15
That’s exciting.

David Jernigan 1:03:15
I love this topic, but I thank you for letting me come on.

Dr. Deb Muth 1:03:18
Thank you for joining us. How can people find you?

David Jernigan 1:03:22
Two ways. There’s the Phagen Corp company that is now manufacturing my formulas.
That is P-H-A-G-E-N-C-O-R-P dot com. Practitioners can go there, and there’s a practitioner side of the website that’s very beefy with science, and… and all the formulas that were used, what’s inside of all the formulas, meaning what microbes are targeted by each one. Like, there’s a GI formula, there’s a UTI formula, there’s a SIRS formula, there’s a Lyme formula, there’s a central nervous system type infection formula, there’s… And we can keep going, you know, SIBO, SIFO formula, mold formula… I mean, we’ve discovered so many things that I could just keep going for hours, and…

Dr. Deb Muth 1:04:05
Yeah.

David Jernigan 1:04:06
About the discoveries, from where it started in its humble beginnings, To now, so… There’s another way, if you wanted to see our clinic website, is Biologics, with an X, so B-I-O-L-O-G-I-X, Center, C-E-N-T-E-R dot com. And, if somebody thinks they want to be a patient and experience this at our clinic, typically we don’t take just Easy stuff. All we see is chronic.
Chronic cases from all over the world. Something like 96% of our patients come from other states and countries. And typically, I’ve been close to 90% for my whole career.
About 30-something percent come from other countries in that, so… we’ve gotten really good and learned a lot in having to deal with what nobody else knows what to do with. But if you do want to do that, you can contact us. And, if you